The Brexit Effect

Aveline

A nationwide day of protest and strikes in France. All is not well in the EU. I voted to remain in case anyone thinks I'm a brexiteer. Important to note that it's not just GB struggling these days. Putin must be happy. ?

Not all is well in the EU. That is true. They have been affected by the pandemic, by world events and the war in Ukraine, just like us.

But no other country has added the massive own goal that is Brexit, and no other country has totally failed to recover.

And of course we all know the French don't sit around on their hands when things are tight- but go on strike.

And yes, this is just what Putin wanted. Why do you think he took so much trouble, and spent so much money, interfering with the vote and supporting/buying pro Brexit groups!

Cheesemaker sells firm to overcome Brexit barriers after losing £600,000 in sales

A British cheesemaker has sold his business to a larger rival to regain access to customers in the European Union after Brexit left him with an estimated £600,000 black hole in lost EU sales.

Simon Spurrell, who made headlines when he highlighted prohibitive export costs after the UK’s exit from the single market, will remain managing director of the Macclesfield-based Cheshire Cheese Company and retains a stake in the business.

Its new owner, fellow family-run north-west England producer Joseph Heler Cheese, has maintained a presence in the EU as a result of its larger operations and distribution hub in the Netherlands, which Spurrell hopes will make supplying European customers viable again.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/15/cheesemaker-sells-firm-to-overcome-brexit-barriers-after-losing-600000-in-sales

We can certainly say loud and clear now- without any doubt whatsoever, that no-one, just no-one, from the Government, Ministers, MPs and all of us the people knew what they were voting for.

So many MPs, businessmen, farmers, fishermen, and on, and on, and on - now say 'THIS is not the Brexit I voted for'. Brexit was totally unclear, totally loose, and based on so many lies and deception- and once voted for, could transform in any kind of beast imaginable, or worse, un-imaginable.

GrannyGravy13

volver

Thanks Fleurpepper. Both those clips are very good.

Several months ago I posted that I would never forgive those who voted for Brexit and that I could never be friends with someone who did. I got the "remoaner" jibe, and told to give it up, it's not good for me etc.

I haven't changed my mind. I agree with John Major.

I think calling folks remoaners is childish.

I was well and truly on the fence regarding Brexit until I spoke to our AC all of whom were voting to leave and as many on here say it would be their future Brexit/remain would impact.

Hence I voted leave, I am not over impressed with how successive PM’s have handled the negotiations. I have exceptionally strong feelings regarding David Cameron for not ensuring /tying up all the loose ends of the referendum and consequently running away from the result.

I too could see issues with the EU and had to think very carefully about how I voted. I am a natural middle of the road person so not surprised I felt like that. In the end I found it easy. Having listened to those who held strong views in each direction I could not see that "Brexit", whatever that meant to those who wanted it, would survive reality.

I still feel much the same as I always did. I would like to see us back in the Customs Union, although it will take time to get to that point.

Where the political side is concerned, I still have my doubts. Most of that comes from my doubts about our own democratic system which I feel needs a huge "drains-up". We managed to send some of the weakest politicians (as in laziness and wideboy tactics) and I did not have any sense of them being sent by our overall system of government. It was almost as if our governments switched off from governing in some areas.

None of that, however, made it worth leaving when it came to my vote. It does mean I understand the conflicted voter more than I understand either of the extremes.

Wolfson (Next). Interestingly his wife has just been appointed as some sort of adviser to Sunak.

How do your children feel about it now, GG13?

volver

Thanks Fleurpepper. Both those clips are very good.

Several months ago I posted that I would never forgive those who voted for Brexit and that I could never be friends with someone who did. I got the "remoaner" jibe, and told to give it up, it's not good for me etc.

I haven't changed my mind. I agree with John Major.

I think calling folks remoaners is childish.

I was well and truly on the fence regarding Brexit until I spoke to our AC all of whom were voting to leave and as many on here say it would be their future Brexit/remain would impact.

Hence I voted leave, I am not over impressed with how successive PM’s have handled the negotiations. I have exceptionally strong feelings regarding David Cameron for not ensuring /tying up all the loose ends of the referendum and consequently running away from the result.

Thanks Fleurpepper. Both those clips are very good.

Several months ago I posted that I would never forgive those who voted for Brexit and that I could never be friends with someone who did. I got the "remoaner" jibe, and told to give it up, it's not good for me etc.

I haven't changed my mind. I agree with John Major.

People wonde why and ridicule the fact some of us are 'obsessed' by Brexit, and won't let it go. However, more and more people are coming to realise it was a humongous mistake, and that the country, and all of us, will pay the price. Some more than others, that is true. The poorest will pay the most. And some of us, for one reason or another, see our lives turned upside down because of it- with the whole of our future plans changed probably forever.

And it will be the most difficult mistake to correct, and probably totally impossible. Our grand-children will pay the heaviest price. Will they ever forgive us. I am so pleased they know that we did everything we could to stop it happen- and ours have 2 sets of escape keys, the lucky ones.

Here is the speech by John Major

fb.watch/gP6dJKZ6oJ/

volver

Fleurpepper that's a James O'Brien clip at 8:55, is that what you intended to post?

No it wasn't- but it is a good'un, for sure. The boss of NEXT is totally delusional and dishonest too probably a mix of both.

Just how much pain we will see tomorrow, so far it sounds like austerity by any other name, I would like to think there will be some spending to encourage growth.

Brexit is a fact of life, don’t expect any change with this government, settling the Ukraine crisis would make it easier but I really don’t see that happening either.

Fleurpepper that's a James O'Brien clip at 8:55, is that what you intended to post?

Even some Tories are breaking ranks and tentatively putting their foot in the Brexit criticism pool.

I see that for the first time in its history the U.K. stock market is smaller than the French stock market.

John Major lacks passion when he speaks, but every word is true. Still today, many are still trying to mock and ridicule those of us who fought for remain, and to this day and forever, will say it was NOT the will of the people, NOT democratic, and was based on lies. But slowly but surely, the wheels are turning, fewer and fewer are still prepared to stand by their vote to leave, and more and more are realising what John Major says here, is true. We will know more about more pain to be inflicted on us all tomorrow. Combined with rising prices, energy costs going literally through the roof, it will hurt, hard.

youtu.be/pwyOqfqcadY

mobile.twitter.com/EnglishmanAdam/status/1592275353736998912

For those who don't want to click through...it says:

"Project Fear = Project F***ing told you so"

“Taking back control” is going well isn’t it?

Of course the fool didn’t get the Brexit he wanted, he believed the “cake and eat it” diatribe, it didn’t exist and never will.

Just because he is a CEO does not mean he has common sense, when any partnership breaks up you go your separate ways and don’t expect favors from the other side.

The Tory boss of NEXT was very pro Brexit and made it clear during the campaign. He now says it is a disaster for his business and the country, and that THIS Brexit was not at all what he voted for, and that we must have a return to Freedom of Movement. It is hard not to be sarcastic! And yes, even say stop whining and bleating (as we remainers have been told so many times!!!) - you wanted it, you own it!

Listen to what he has to say

youtu.be/pwyOqfqcadY

Many Tories know the massive damage done, and explain it well

youtu.be/TxgqbGIRp4I

Of course most countries are experiencing difficulties due to the war in Ukraine, and the pandemic. But they are all recovering, all apart from the UK. The tide is turning and it is accepted more and more that Brexit is a singificant factor. Polls all show this clearly. But the level of denial among far too many still, is staggering.

Dickens

DaisyAnne

I don't think you can say voting for Truss was about a cult of personality Katie She really hasn't got one.

that made me chuckle!

And she didn't really have much time to develop one either!

Yep, me too ;)

Now “Brexit Benefits” has been changed to some vague “opportunities”. One bonus - Oaris has just overtaken London as the biggest financial market.

On the Kuensberg Sunday programme this morning, all the experts agreed that Brexit was a huge factor, and the unspeakable elephant in the room- about the reason that the UK is the country with the worst recovery post pandemic, and still in negative figures- with the worst financial crisis and recession in Europe.

Even the Tory Press is now acknowledging this. And all the Polls show clearly that it was a) a big mistake and b) that the UK should attempt to rejoin Single Market and Customs Union (as was planned by many Cons during the campaign).

Dickens

DaisyAnne

I don't think you can say voting for Truss was about a cult of personality Katie She really hasn't got one.

that made me chuckle!

And she didn't really have much time to develop one either!

Fatal politics, then they elected Truss.