The Brexit Effect

And Wetherspoons are struggling. Didn’t Pret A Manger support brexit, too? My heart bleeds….

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Gets on my nerves!

I just saw on Facebook that all news is fact-checked in France. Is this correct?

MaizieD

Some depressing blasts from the past.

Start with Ian Hislop, 3 weeks after the referendum result:

twitter.com/MarieAnnUK/status/1589209610657083392

Then James O'Brien, from Saturday just gone. Playing the soundtrack of a vote Leave campaign advert:

twitter.com/LBC/status/1588492211162857473

Here's Daniel ("No-one's talking about leaving the Single Market) Hannan painting a picture of what Britain will be like after leaving the EU. Does any of it sound familiar?

twitter.com/chris27795627/status/1588516575589851137

I noticed in the Hislop clip that most of the audience didn’t clap what he was saying. I wonder how those stoney faced people are feeling now? Egg on their faces perhaps?

It is almost as if nobody will face the truth. Nobody is demanding to know what happened to all the unfulfilled promises, the GN Brexit supporters assure the rest of us that they knew what they were voting for, would do it again, and of course, they knew it would take 40 years for things to show results. Well, I don't remember that bit, all I remember is the bloody bus, the immediate trade deals.......We also have the added Brexit bonus of division within society. Well done all of you who knew what you were voting for.

Iam64

MayBee’s point about EU investment is one rarely made. In other parts of Europe, new bridges, roads, improvements to infrastructure often display a sign to make sure people know it was built with money from the EU.
I’ve never seen that in the uk. In fact most people assumed the improvements to a very deprived area in my town we’re done by our Conservative council. As if.

Actually, I remember seeing interviews with triumphant Brexit voters, filmed outside large community halls with 'Funded by EU' signs on the outside. The irony was overwhelming

In Carole Cadwalladr's TED talk, which led to her being sued unsucessfully by Aaron Banks, she talks about returning to Merthyr Tydfil, where she grew up , seeing all the new EU funded infrastructure clearly labelled "funded by the European Union" yet leave voters still asked "what has the EU ever done for us?"

www.ted.com/talks/carole_cadwalladr_facebook_s_role_in_brexit_and_the_threat_to_democracy?language=en

Iam64

MayBee’s point about EU investment is one rarely made. In other parts of Europe, new bridges, roads, improvements to infrastructure often display a sign to make sure people know it was built with money from the EU.
I’ve never seen that in the uk. In fact most people assumed the improvements to a very deprived area in my town we’re done by our Conservative council. As if.

A large part of the regeneration of the dock area of Hull was paid for by the EU.

Some depressing blasts from the past.

Start with Ian Hislop, 3 weeks after the referendum result:

twitter.com/MarieAnnUK/status/1589209610657083392

Then James O'Brien, from Saturday just gone. Playing the soundtrack of a vote Leave campaign advert:

twitter.com/LBC/status/1588492211162857473

Here's Daniel ("No-one's talking about leaving the Single Market) Hannan painting a picture of what Britain will be like after leaving the EU. Does any of it sound familiar?

twitter.com/chris27795627/status/1588516575589851137

So many of us do care, and also feel the same way. I do believe we are the vast majority now, who feel the same.

And yet this current government, the get brexit done brigade, are changing the Britain that I ( I think of myself as left leaning but very much a traditionalist) love before my very eyes. And no one seems to care. That’s what I don’t understand. They’ve even most probably destroyed the Union.

I agree. Since Brexit, I no longer feel that the UK is ‘my country’. I also find it demeaning when politicians chant ‘Brexit is what the British people want’. In that statement they are totally dismissing the views of the 16million people who voted to remain. They don’t even acknowledge we exist!

Iam64

MayBee’s point about EU investment is one rarely made. In other parts of Europe, new bridges, roads, improvements to infrastructure often display a sign to make sure people know it was built with money from the EU.
I’ve never seen that in the uk. In fact most people assumed the improvements to a very deprived area in my town we’re done by our Conservative council. As if.

There were certainly signs in Scotland some years ago that improvements were done by EU regional aid. Eden project certainly publicized it, lots of smaller projects too, although I think most were done 20yrs ago or more.

The building I used to work in had several big signs saying it had been built with EU money.

I've also seen that kind of signage on infrastructure in Northern Scotland.

MayBee’s point about EU investment is one rarely made. In other parts of Europe, new bridges, roads, improvements to infrastructure often display a sign to make sure people know it was built with money from the EU.
I’ve never seen that in the uk. In fact most people assumed the improvements to a very deprived area in my town we’re done by our Conservative council. As if.

In a democracy it is not possible to restrict voting to intelligent well informed people.

People are people and all adults over 18 are potential voters.

We have two problems in the UK

One is our First Past The Post electoral system which enables a party which most voters oppose to take total control of our government for five years.

The other is the dominance of the right wing press, owned and controlled by foreign billionaires and tax exiles, which actually instructs its guillible readers how to vote.

The Brexit result did make me wonder whether voting should be restricted to people with a brain that actually worked. It does look as though more and more Leavers are beginning to see the light but the problem is both major parties are terrified to mention it and of course if we were to re-apply we would never get the same advantageous terms we had as a result of Mrs T's negotiation.

MayBee70

When the ( mainly I would imagine) Conservative governments let British industry decline which resulted in people in many areas losing their main form of employment nothing was done to replace those jobs. Vote leave managed to persuade people that it was all the fault of the EU although, strangely enough when I have been in post industrial areas any form of regeneration ( eg The Eden Project) has been financed quite heavily by the EU. And yet the Conservative government get away with their little soundbites eg levelling up and the electorate believe them. I’ve given up trying to understand it.

As far as EU funding was concerned the Leave voters said that it was our money coming back to us and we could just as well fund these projects without the money going through the EU. It was said on here many times.

As with all the Brexit promises of unlimited jam tomorrow, it has melted away....

When the ( mainly I would imagine) Conservative governments let British industry decline which resulted in people in many areas losing their main form of employment nothing was done to replace those jobs. Vote leave managed to persuade people that it was all the fault of the EU although, strangely enough when I have been in post industrial areas any form of regeneration ( eg The Eden Project) has been financed quite heavily by the EU. And yet the Conservative government get away with their little soundbites eg levelling up and the electorate believe them. I’ve given up trying to understand it.

nanna8

Why? So time would stand still and England would go back 60 years? I don’t know, I wasn’t there, I didn’t vote.

But you don't need to go back 60 years to find those things.

In fact, where I live, 60 years ago there would have been smoke and grime and coal mines and huge coke works as far as the eye could see from the top of any of the many hills we have. As far as beauty is concerned it's far lovelier now than it was 60 years ago.

OTOH, 60 years ago lots of the locals had jobs... maybe that's what they were after when they voted to leave the EU...

nanna8

Why? So time would stand still and England would go back 60 years? I don’t know, I wasn’t there, I didn’t vote.

And yet this current government, the get brexit done brigade, are changing the Britain that I ( I think of myself as left leaning but very much a traditionalist) love before my very eyes. And no one seems to care. That’s what I don’t understand. They’ve even most probably destroyed the Union.

Why? So time would stand still and England would go back 60 years? I don’t know, I wasn’t there, I didn’t vote.

Katie59

There is no mystery what leavers voted for, they voted for history - Great Britain a time where we didn’t need foreigners, or have to obey their rules.
It’s gradually dawning on them the world has moved on, that does not mean there is going to be any changes soon, the current problem is the ERG are running the government.

Never mind the right wing media it’s those right wing Tories that need to be demonized and soon too.

When was that time Katie59? If that was what people voted for then they missed their history lessons at school.

Whatever they voted for it was a fantasy. They have now found that the reality they, and only they, have created has just made life even more difficult than it ever needed to be.

nanna8

A friend has recently given me many back copies of the ‘This England’ magazine. Very, very pro Brexit and they make England look like a total Shangri-la. Really beautiful little villages, lots of royal history, lots of breathtaking old buildings. Anyone who read that would have voted for Brexit with no hesitation.

Why?

I live in England, it has beautiful little villages, fabulous landscapes, lots of royal history and superb old buildings.

It has lots of other things, too...

None of which had anything to do with the EU, nor was it threatened in any way by the EU.

I voted Remain. I have absolutely no comprehension as to why the above should persuade anyone to vote Leave.

A friend has recently given me many back copies of the ‘This England’ magazine. Very, very pro Brexit and they make England look like a total Shangri-la. Really beautiful little villages, lots of royal history, lots of breathtaking old buildings. Anyone who read that would have voted for Brexit with no hesitation.

Of course we need foreigners! Not just to trade with but to attract here as skilled and educated workers for our depleted workforce. Many asylum seekers fit the bill and should be enabled to work, not detained waiting for a dysfunctional Home Office to process their asylum claim while Braverman describes them in inflammatory terms designed to heap up the racist vote for the Tories.