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Boris Johnson - a warning from history

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MawtheMerrier Fri 21-Oct-22 09:01:43

I was derided just a little when I suggested that there had been a “cunning plan” aka conspiracy to elect the worst possible Tory leader (known as Truss) to be such a disaster that Johnson would look good by comparison and the party faithful would beg him to come back.
Even in these hallowed halls of Gransnet I have seen, but will not name and shame, some who inclined towards this view and lo! it is come to pass that BJ is indeed trying to get 100 MPs to back his candidature.
I have never been more depressed. The inevitable consequence of the last 6 weeks should be a GE but slippery BJ has wriggled out of situations before.
This is not the jolly buffoon with the rumpled hair that Nadine Dorries clearly wishes to ruffle further, the bumbling giant with his shirt needing tucking in.
Don’t be fooled.

silverlining48 Sat 22-Oct-22 10:14:26

For those who are unhappy about the potential return of Boris Trumpty why not email your MP.
They are receiving a lot of mail on the subject and will let them know not everyone sees this possible return as a good thing. Au contrair mon ami!
Very easy to find email addresses online.

Fleurpepper Sat 22-Oct-22 10:05:26

Ladyleftfieldlover

Seriously, if I was a lot younger I would leave this country and start again elsewhere. It would be easy if Brexit hadn’t happened, but…

Seems quite a few here, and most of our friends, saying the same.

So, linking to another thread- can you imagine making the decision to return, and then confronted with this! No? Me neither!

Joseanne Sat 22-Oct-22 10:02:16

Fellow economy passengers were positioning themselves for selfies.
I think this kind of suggests that Boris does have charisma, or some sort of quality that appeals. Not sure why.

Fleurpepper Sat 22-Oct-22 10:01:46

Boom boom!

MawtheMerrier Sat 22-Oct-22 09:54:59

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

Children are not accepted in first class.

That BA route (Dom Rep to Heathrow) doesn’t have a First Class section, it does however have a Business Class with flat beds.

Children are definitely accepted and welcomed in that section.

Slightly at a tangent, did you hear that Kwasi Kwarteng flew back from the U.S. first class?
Apparently they didn't want him near Business or (the) Economy"
gringrin

Joseanne Sat 22-Oct-22 09:51:20

It is going to be bad enough with Sunak who is loathed by a large amount of Tory MPs.
I think that is the overall problem. None of them actually like each other.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 22-Oct-22 09:33:00

Casdon

According to Sky News:
‘Business and premium were not full, and he'd have known he'd be snapped. Fellow economy passengers were positioning themselves for selfies.’

All part of his man of the people act

Some will be taken in by it, I will not.

Casdon Sat 22-Oct-22 09:30:32

According to Sky News:
‘Business and premium were not full, and he'd have known he'd be snapped. Fellow economy passengers were positioning themselves for selfies.’

Wyllow3 Sat 22-Oct-22 09:30:20

LizzieDrip

*Maw*, I too posted on GN my belief that this whole dreadful fiasco has been manipulated, and that Johnson would return like a knight on a white charger to ‘save the country’. I too have read and heard people calling ‘bring Boris back’ and have found it difficult to comprehend their thinking. Like gas-lighted victims of psychological abuse, it’s as if they are somehow drawn back to their abuser. Moths to a flame. On reading that there is even the slightest possibility of Johnson returning, I too have never felt so depressed about our country. I echo what you say Maw, do not be fooled by this evil man - please!

Hear hear.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 22-Oct-22 09:28:57

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

Children are not accepted in first class.

That BA route (Dom Rep to Heathrow) doesn’t have a First Class section, it does however have a Business Class with flat beds.

Children are definitely accepted and welcomed in that section.

I’ll remember that and avoid business class next time I fly BA to DR.

Ha Ha see you in First, sorry we will probably have a GC with us, bring earplugs

GrannyGravy13 Sat 22-Oct-22 09:27:37

Whitewavemark2

Children are not accepted in first class.

Sorry you are totally incorrect on this.

Children are allowed in First Class on the majority if airlines including BA.

They even havd a useful guide as to what seats are adaptable for child seats and cots.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 22-Oct-22 09:27:20

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

Children are not accepted in first class.

That BA route (Dom Rep to Heathrow) doesn’t have a First Class section, it does however have a Business Class with flat beds.

Children are definitely accepted and welcomed in that section.

I’ll remember that and avoid business class next time I fly BA to DR.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 22-Oct-22 09:26:08

I am as sure as I can be (so not very?) that Johnson won’t get the leadership.

If he does there will be absolute chaos in the Tory party.

It is going to be bad enough with Sunak who is loathed by a large amount of Tory MPs

GrannyGravy13 Sat 22-Oct-22 09:25:01

Whitewavemark2

Children are not accepted in first class.

That BA route (Dom Rep to Heathrow) doesn’t have a First Class section, it does however have a Business Class with flat beds.

Children are definitely accepted and welcomed in that section.

icanhandthemback Sat 22-Oct-22 09:24:28

Maw, I was thinking about your post yesterday with all the clamour for BoJo to come back. I thought it was a conspiracy theory too far because I couldn't believe anybody in Government would be quite so stupid. They are and we're doomed.

vegansrock Sat 22-Oct-22 09:23:10

It’s like an abused wife taking back her abusive ex - they believe him when he says he’ll change … ( we know he won’t)

Whitewavemark2 Sat 22-Oct-22 09:21:22

If Johnson is found guilty of misleading parliament, doesn’t he lose his seat?

Whitewavemark2 Sat 22-Oct-22 09:20:33

Children are not accepted in first class.

MaizieD Sat 22-Oct-22 09:18:41

GrannyGravy13

There is a photo of Mr.Johnson on a BA flight, economy class with his wife and children flying back from Dom Rep last night.

Apparently there were some boos

Wouldn’t like to do that length of flight in economy, let alone with two young children.

Goodness, GG13. Did you realise what that would sound like?

Lots of people have to do that flight in economy because they can't afford anything else. It must be lovely to be able to do it in business class and pity the poor souls in economy...

Casdon Sat 22-Oct-22 09:18:41

Galaxy

I was talking about the families I work with casdon, whose lives are so difficult that getting children to school is often an impossibility, let alone having the time or space to be engaged politically.

I’m guessing the people you work with are unlikely to vote at all Galaxy? The majority of the population do have time and space in their lives though, particularly as they get older, but they are (I accept MaizieD’s word change) uninterested in politics, and their beliefs get more fixed and less questioning as they age. I don’t think that they have no moral compass, cloth ears though perhaps.

Lucca Sat 22-Oct-22 09:16:51

GrannyGravy13

There is a photo of Mr.Johnson on a BA flight, economy class with his wife and children flying back from Dom Rep last night.

Apparently there were some boos

Wouldn’t like to do that length of flight in economy, let alone with two young children.

Plenty of people do, and longer eg my family from Sydney.
My heart doesn’t bleed for Johnson .

Jackiest Sat 22-Oct-22 09:12:02

I was always a supporter of democracy but after seeing how dumb and easily led the electorate is I now have my doubts.

MayBee70 Sat 22-Oct-22 09:08:11

Poor Carrie. It must have been awful for her….you’d think the airline would have upgraded them considering they were travelling back because of a matter of national importance.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 22-Oct-22 08:59:09

There is a photo of Mr.Johnson on a BA flight, economy class with his wife and children flying back from Dom Rep last night.

Apparently there were some boos

Wouldn’t like to do that length of flight in economy, let alone with two young children.

MaizieD Sat 22-Oct-22 08:54:11

I'm not sure about 'disinterested' in politics, Casdon, as 'disinterested' means you have nothing to gain or lose from politics, which is patently untrue as everyone gains or loses from political actions.

Whereas 'uninterested' would fit the bill perfectly.
However, even the apparently uninterested usually have an opinion to express, which must be based on something. Are we to believe that most voters are oblivious to Johnson's 'shortcomings' so can be forgiven for having no moral compass?