Braverman's behaviour in parliament today proves nothing has changed.

Curtaintwitcher

She's the best person for the job. Unfortunately, she has a mammoth task cleaning up the mess left by her predecessors. I wish everyone would stop picking on her and let her get on with the job.
Something else we should be seriously concerned about is the number of MP's elected by us, the British people, who seem to have no care for this country and its people.
Is this truly democracy?

She is definitely not the right person for the job, she’s proved that conclusively. Her predecessors are 12 years of Tory Home Secretaries, the cause is primarily Brexit. This lays at nobody else’s door.

She's the best person for the job. Unfortunately, she has a mammoth task cleaning up the mess left by her predecessors. I wish everyone would stop picking on her and let her get on with the job.
Something else we should be seriously concerned about is the number of MP's elected by us, the British people, who seem to have no care for this country and its people.
Is this truly democracy?

👀 Jo Cox’s husband. “Hope Not Hate”

Brendan Cox

Horrible to see the Home Secretary use far right ‘invasion’ rhetoric. Obviously we should really ignore it because it’s an obvious attempt to distract - but some things you can’t ignore. This kind of language makes violence more likely and the Home Secretary knows it.

J52

I feel that Braverman herself is inciting Civil unrest with her rhetoric.

Words are very important and when words such as “being invaded”are used it’s bound to stir people up.
I wonder how many people realise that this is in fact what Conservatives want. They wouldn’t have passed the draconian Nationalities and Borders Act if not.
I urge you to take a look at it and just see what this country is becoming under a right wing government.

Although now a dead one.

Whitewavemark2

J52

I feel that Braverman herself is inciting Civil unrest with her rhetoric.

The petrol bomber is white, male and 66 years old.

This is the sort of people that are being incited.

He is, in my view a terrorist

Definitely a terrorist Whitewavemark2

J52

I feel that Braverman herself is inciting Civil unrest with her rhetoric.

The petrol bomber is white, male and 66 years old.

This is the sort of people that are being incited.

He is, in my view a terrorist

I feel that Braverman herself is inciting Civil unrest with her rhetoric.

The sad thing is that is exactly what they want Parsley. It must be or they wouldn't be doing it.

Several women phoned in to Shelagh Fogerty today to say that they no longer feel safe in the country of their birth, the UK. They gave examples of being shouted at in the street and being questioned about holding a British passport. The reason for their fears? They do not have white skins.
The deliberate and inciteful hatred of human beings doesn't stop at refugees does it? Are Conservative voters happy with the way this is going?

Varian
We are working with the French.

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/joint-nca-and-french-operation-brings-down-suspected-small-boat-people-smuggling-network

The NCA is working with eu countries.

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/albanian-people-smuggling-network-who-shipped-migrants-to-the-uk-from-spain-dismantled

Good posts DaisyAnne, but I suspect, as you do, that the truth about Brexit and its impact will not be accepted by its fans. Frankly, anyone who chose to shut their ears to what was being said, to dismiss 'so called experts' to condemn any alternative point as 'project fear' is unlikely to acknowledge that yet again, the country is being lied to misled, or gaslit over the immigration issue.

Whitewavemark2

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James Oh Brien

This deliberate & inciteful hatred of humans, in this case refugees, is all they've got. It's all they've ever had. It's how Brexit happened. It's how Gullis ended up in Parliament & Braverman in the Cabinet. It's disgusting & wrong & the next shameful chapter has barely started.

He is right. It is all they have to deflect from having done nothing positive in the last 12 years.

My dread, my nightmare, is that we see the day when this antagonism towards a definable group is added to by a law making them wear something that identifies them. Then we will know we have hit the rock bottom we are so close to.

I agree DaisyAnne but I'm afraid this brexit govrnment will never do anything that requires co-operation with France.

Can you imagine such a sensible, practical and humane solution ever being supported by The Daily Mail?

I hate to say this, but this all comes back to Brexit.

In 2019 there were 1,843 refugee channel crossings by people seeking to be safe, with no torture, no discrimination and not left in poverty. Not you would think, a lot to ask. I would certainly want it for myself and my family. So far, in 2022, the number is 39,430.

Those who voted to leave the EU, believing those who told them it would stop all these crossings, were lied to. They knew this. We keep being told they knew what they were voting for.

As an EU member, we had control of immigration. We were part of a system where asylum seekers, who were successful applicants, would be shared out across the EU countries (Dublin Agreement). We decided to leave. It was a decision to go it alone. In rude, aggressive and unfriendly terms we told the EU states that's what we wanted. Our government told them. Our newspapers told them. Some of the population told them. The leave voters thought this was okay because they knew what they were voting for.

The government could stop these crossings - if it wanted to. We could do it cheaper than the mindless suggestions the right wing has come out with.

We know because the racists keep telling us, that they have no problem with genuine refugees. So, as I have now said many times, all we need to do is build a processing facility in France. The French have said they will work with us on this. Those seeking asylum would go there; British officials would process their claim. Anyone entering the country without being processed would be taken back to the centre. If their claim is valid they could come across more safely than in a little rubber boat.

We would be taking more than we did as we are out of the sharing system but those voting leave, often the same people as those complaining about asylum seekers, knew what they were doing when they voted. They knew we would not be part of the Dublin Agreement sharing system. They told us they knew. So they must have known what would happen and what we could now do if this far-right government chose to do so.

Wyllow3

It’s also a case of ‘hey, look the other way’. Whilst appalling and inciting language occupies some of the public other measures may be put through that is not in the interests of us all.

I'm kind of hoping that this government falls apart before they can do too much damage, Wyllow3

I think it's looking a bit rocky...

It’s also a case of ‘hey, look the other way’. Whilst appalling and inciting language occupies some of the public other measures may be put through that is not in the interests of us all.

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James Oh Brien

This deliberate & inciteful hatred of humans, in this case refugees, is all they've got. It's all they've ever had. It's how Brexit happened. It's how Gullis ended up in Parliament & Braverman in the Cabinet. It's disgusting & wrong & the next shameful chapter has barely started.

👀. Surprise! Surprise!

Chris Bryant
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I strongly suspect that Suella Braverman wasn’t telling the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth yesterday. Former ministers and colleagues deny her account of events.

I have said previously that I am more than happy for the U.K. to be a safe refuge for those fleeing war and oppression. These people should be treated with dignity, assessed swiftly and allowed to work in a profession suited to their skills and command of English.

Economic migrants should be able to apply in their own Country at the U.K. Embassy (or similar) for a working visa providing they have a job to come to or a sponsor who will be responsible for them. Along with proof of financial status and the understanding that there will be a time limit before they can access for free the NHS and/or the benefits system.

Whatever Government is in overall control as a Country we cannot continue as we are now, how many lives need to be lost in the channel for something to be done?

Having said that it is high time now that the government act swiftly and provide living accommodation by either building or renovating buildings for them, whilst also providing better salaries to attract good staff to complete the work needed to assess their cases.

You won't get any action from a tory government. They have made immigration a key issue for nearly a decade now, and not in a good way. Remember Theresa May's 'Go Home' vans?

The solutions to this problem set out by Yvette Cooper yesterday in parliament are obvious.

Accept the French offer to set up a processing point at Calais, set up a special NCA (National Crime Agency) body to deal with the smuggling gangs and improve Home Office efficiency to deal with applications in a more timely manner and rapidly return the economic migrants to their home countries, where they can apply for visas in the proper manner.

The first was rejected because the Brexit government wanted nothing to do with the Eu, the others would involve expanding state departments when the tory's objective is to shrink the state. Regardless of the fact that the state is spending large amounts of money on rescuing the small boat people and housing them for long periods while their applications are very slowly dealt with and they are unable to seek work to support themselves.

But, as I said earlier, the current cruel and racist tory immigration policy speaks to some of their core voters who they don't want to lose.

Yvette Cooper:

twitter.com/YvetteCooperMP/status/1587227969709383680

I am neither a government supporter and will not call the eminent lawyer names, it has to be said that there are many thousands more migrants arriving here in small boats than in previous years.The numbers are very high, and I understand that for some, the draw of speaking English, the business language of the world is important.Also the figures given now show that Albanians make up the highest percentage of numbers.Not a war torn country.So much is true that other posters such as Urmstongran say.
We may not take as many migrants as other countries do for two reasons, it is hard to get here and as we are a much smaller country than many others, cannot accommodate all.
Having said that it is high time now that the government act swiftly and provide living accommodation by either building or renovating buildings for them, whilst also providing better salaries to attract good staff to complete the work needed to assess their cases.

Thanks for the link lucky. I’m waiting for the govt supporters to arrive, accusing this eminent lawyer of being a tofu eating leftie

Certainly my family and OH's, for many generations, have been economic migrants. Who contributed massively to their host countries. Some of them didn't come by choice, they were slaves from Bengal, Africa and Indonesia.

Of course a proportion are economic migrants. And gangs with 'nefarious' activities need to be identified and returned.

When we talk about private education, private health care, etc- many here say it is normal and correct for people to put their own first, and do the best for them. If I lived in a country where I knew my children had no chance of a good education, or good healthcare, or decent chances for the future- I'd hope I would up and go, and try to give them the above. In the Olde days, Tebbut (sp), not that long ago said 'get on your bike' - and now people get on boats.