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Braverman's behaviour in parliament today proves nothing has changed.

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Normandygirl Wed 26-Oct-22 22:14:18

Suella Braverman scuttling out of the commons today to avoid scrutiny is a clear indication that nothing has changed with the Tories. The question from Yvette Cooper was tabled in plenty of time so she has no excuses. The fact that she walked out in full view of the speaker doesn't enhance his reputation either.

LizzieDrip Wed 26-Oct-22 22:51:43

Agree Normandygirl. There’s more to this than meets the eye. Even when Keir Starmer called it a ‘grubby deal’ at PMQs, Sunak didn’t really challenge the claim.

lemsip Wed 26-Oct-22 23:06:09

especially as;

Suella Braverman was embroiled in probe over leak that raised 'concerns' at MI5

Normandygirl Wed 26-Oct-22 23:22:24

This government has started the same way the last one ended. What a waste of parliament's time to schedule the urgent question and then allow Braverman to duck out. Even her own mp's were confused, they were heard saying " she will be here in a minute" They obviously didn't realise she was already being whisked away in her ministerial car.
So much for Sunak's fine speech about his government's "integrity, honesty and responsibilty."
Fallen at the first fence.angry

Wyllow3 Thu 27-Oct-22 00:16:22

Maybe Sunak appointed her from political necessity and "united front" but if she goes on like this, she may not be easily sacked, but a guessing there could be a "reshuffle".

Parsley3 Thu 27-Oct-22 00:40:43

Sunak will be doing his first u turn quite soon and my bet is that Braverman will be it.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 27-Oct-22 03:42:53

Parsley3

Sunak will be doing his first u turn quite soon and my bet is that Braverman will be it.

Yes, I can’t see how she can remain as Home Secretary.

What she did was illegal and certainly a sackable offence.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 27-Oct-22 04:11:31

Just seen the governments actions described as

The Carousel of Chaos

How apt, and excellent description.

ronib Thu 27-Oct-22 05:04:45

I think there’s evidence of attention deficit syndrome in Parliament at the moment. There are so many more important issues to debate than the reappointment of the Home Secretary! Yvette Cooper does outrage so well but I wish parliamentarians could all join together to address the very serious economic and social issues facing the country. Save urgent questions for the urgent……

Whitewavemark2 Thu 27-Oct-22 07:36:16

Apparently Braverman was a subject of MI5 investigation last January, relating to Cyber Security.

She will have to resign.

Maudi Thu 27-Oct-22 07:40:04

Is Suella Braverman your new hate figure now Boris has gone par for the course I suppose with Labour they have no policies only hate.

Galaxy Thu 27-Oct-22 07:42:25

The word hate is thrown around with absolutely no meaning at the moment. Criticising someone or asking questions is not hate.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 27-Oct-22 07:44:48

Maudi

Is Suella Braverman your new hate figure now Boris has gone par for the course I suppose with Labour they have no policies only hate.

I have no feelings regarding Braverman.

However, I do expect members of parliament and in particular government not to be a security risk to my country.

I think that we are all entitled to expect that.

Iam64 Thu 27-Oct-22 08:00:41

Whitewavemark2

Maudi

Is Suella Braverman your new hate figure now Boris has gone par for the course I suppose with Labour they have no policies only hate.

I have no feelings regarding Braverman.

However, I do expect members of parliament and in particular government not to be a security risk to my country.

I think that we are all entitled to expect that.

Exactly so. Maudi, it seems to me you’re projecting your feelings on to the LP. The LP does have policies, a recognised belief system. You don’t share them.

Urmstongran Thu 27-Oct-22 08:01:08

Braverman seriously wants to tackle the Channel migrants. So many Albanian thugs coming over. The rise is exponential - 800 last year, 12,000 this year according to the Home Office. She gets my vote but will be up against The Blob. She says when she gets trolled on Twitter she knows she’s doing what the majority of taxpayers want! Mind you Pritti Patel couldn’t get things done and maybe Braverman will be up against it too. We will have to wait and see.

Braverman fell out with Truss over immigration. Truss was watering down proposals. Braverman’s mild infringement using her personal email to amend an urgent document was ideal for her to ‘resign’ over. She said she certainly couldn’t go along with what Truss was capitulating on.

This will be an interesting time to see how Braverman deals with issues.

mumofmadboys Thu 27-Oct-22 08:04:53

I do not hate Braverman, I hated the speech she made saying she couldnt wait to see the first plane going to Rwanda.

Sarah74 Thu 27-Oct-22 08:05:41

Why are Albanian thugs coming to the UK?!

Urmstongran Thu 27-Oct-22 08:10:13

Drugs, prostitution, people trafficking. Huge profits in the misery industry according to reports.

Urmstongran Thu 27-Oct-22 08:13:50

We are a soft touch and it’s costing us all millions of pounds putting them up in hotels. Admittedly some migrants are genuine cases which is fair enough and they deserve our compassion.

Maudi Thu 27-Oct-22 08:20:14

Two dinghies with God knows who on board arrived on the Kent coast a few days ago and they disappeared into the countryside, I would have thought that anyone with any sense would think that they were a security risk not Suella Braverman who is trying to stop them.

Grannynannywanny Thu 27-Oct-22 08:24:47

It was reported on BBC news this morning that Jake Berry Conservative Party chairman, who was in post until a few days ago, has said Suella Braverman committed several “serious” breaches of the ministerial code.
It sounds like it’s more than a minor infringement they’re trying to sweep under the carpet.

Petera Thu 27-Oct-22 08:25:18

Urmstongran Braverman’s mild infringement using her personal email to amend an urgent document was ideal for her to ‘resign’ over.

She firstly sent the document to her private email as she knew she was going to send it on to someone who didn't have the clearance to see it and couldn't do it from her government email. She then shared it and also sent it to someone who she thought (thought!) was the correspondent’s wife but it turned out not to be. She the lied about the process to the Prime Minister.

So, I agree with you UG, in the scale of behaviour of the Tories this is just a mild infringement.

Urmstongran Thu 27-Oct-22 08:27:12

Haha! And Labour are squeaky clean. Not.

As Starmer has Peter Mandelson as an advisor, someone who had to resign from the Cabinet twice - it's just more hypocrisy from the man who shouts about 'integrity.'

Casdon Thu 27-Oct-22 08:30:36

Sir Jake Berry - who Mr Sunak fired from his post two days ago - told TalkTV: "From my own knowledge, there were multiple breaches of the ministerial code."

Braverman is a dangerous loose cannon. She is entrusted with some of the most sensitive and high risk information in the country. The more rabid Tory supporters on here are failing to separate the woman from the job.

DaisyAnne Thu 27-Oct-22 08:33:29

Maudi

Is Suella Braverman your new hate figure now Boris has gone par for the course I suppose with Labour they have no policies only hate.

She does seem to be the attack point, but I do think there is evidence of frequent wrongdoing. It doesn't say much about your knowledge that you cannot see the policies the LP have or the fact they are in opposition, not government. UG's post which is equally biased against the Labour Party. We are still seeing Party before country, both in parliament and on these boards. It comes from both extremes.

If, as it seems they may have done, the ERG three in the cabinet used the election of the Leader of the Conservative party (or rather the need for no election) to get their positions, they will have played their last card. They are now open to regular scrutiny. I would have thought one of the committees would be the process used to call SB to account.

The asylum system is in crisis. It is SB's job to sort it out. I very much doubt that she can do that. One way or another Braverman will be out. She has now lost all leverage that would stop that from happening.

Politicians should not be allowed to be a member of a lobby group while also a member of a party. I thought there was already a rule on this.

PR would help of course.