Petition : *Update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex*

It always gets dragged back to toilets as well. Refuges prisons sport crime stats are the main ones for me.

You either provide fully enclosed cubicles with a sink or you provide single sex toilets and gender neutral. Then people who are happy using gender neutral do so. Many places offer this solution.

Do people really see Eddie Izzard who is a 'girl' some of the time and a 'boy' some of the time despite being 60 years old as a 'genuine transwoman'? If he isn't the epitome of rich white male privilege then I don't know what is!

Because females will use toilets for females. Males will use toilets for males, And trans people will still be ther target if they choose gender neutral toilets and be seen as deviant. And malevolent people of any sex will still be threatening and dangerous.

And NO, toilets are not EASILY solved, at all.

Oh stop it.

People, like my niece and 2 friends, who looks like females, dress like females, are so visible and would be immediate target in male only toilets. Really !?! Don't tell me you can't understand this?

It is exactly the same to me if Eddie Izzard is in a female space and if John Bishop is in a female space.

Because they are all of the Male sex FP.

Toilets are very easily solved as has been said many times before. Prisons refuges sport crime stats not so much.

Of course not. How can you even compare?

Many men are vulnerable to Male violence. Should they too be allowed in female spaces.

Glorianny

This is a very interesting article about a research study- Around the Toilet journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0038026120934697
It isn't sympathetic to gender critical ideas.

Thank you. Confirms that Transwomen are much more likely to suffer bullying, violence, or even rape- when using toilets for males.

However they present being in womens spaces.

Unfortunately the story shows that women have lost safe spaces like Refuges.

So what can be done about. That was my question. I was responding to your concern for protecting children and raised a current concern. It’s well published so hardly a “grenade”. There was nothing more personal to it than a response to a post you had already made.

Unlike your comment to me .

It’s a pity we can’t quote things posters have said on other threads, on regard to abuse. But we can’t so I won’t.

Lathyrus

Fleurpepper

Lathyrus

I suppose I should have said by simply stating she was an abused woman.

NO, because she was a fraud, and a very nasty one at that. Terrible story, and should have never happened. And hopefully very rare, and should not taint our views on real trans people, who should also be protected by Law.

The problem is Fleur, how can we tell?

I’ve been thinking about it a lot today. Not just in terms of trans but how a refuge can ensure safety and I think it’s very difficult.

It is being investigated so we can’t say too much about it ne of the major problems now is the loss of confidence in Women’s Refuges as safe places. Where can they go if nowhere is safe.

Totally agree that it is very difficult.

Its prevented by no men, however they

Or even, now I’ve read it again, to say that I’m the sort of person that “needs someone to *take their anger out on*”

That’s reportable I think if I did that kind of thing.

Glorianny

This is a very interesting article about a research study- Around the Toilet journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0038026120934697
It isn't sympathetic to gender critical ideas.

Fascinating read. Thank you for posting.

Lathyrus

I’m not misrepresenting anybody’s view.

What have I said about your view.

I’ve related a case that was I the papers this morning. Because you expressed a concern for children I’ve asked you how we can prevent this kind of abuse from happening.

I’d like anybody else view on that too.

Maybe, like me, you don’t have any answer as to how it can be prevented. But turn it into a personal thing because it isn’t.

"One of us" did not need to be in your comment Lathyrus

I'm a sexual abuse survivor and I don't see anyone committing that sort of crime as a member of the human race let alone "one of us"

You also threw a story I hadn't heard of at me like a grenade.

I'm as devastated as anyone else and given that I have never advocated for women to lose safe spaces like refuges, why you would ever do that I just don't understand

There was absolutely no need to address that personally to me in any way

I really can't understand that sort of technique in discussion at all

I'm going to leave this thread now

Fleurpepper

Sorry, because HE was a fraud

But before this was discovered, you'd have been defending his 'right' to be in a women's refuge.

Give that a little thought please Fleurpepper.

VioletSky

You are misrepresenting my views again Lathyrus

I'm not answering questions that misrepresent my views when they have been made very very clear just so that you have someone to take your anger out on.

I rather think you’re misrepresenting me by saying I’m angry.

Now that is quite personal.

Lathyrus

I suppose I should have said by simply stating she was an abused woman.

Absolutely not!

Even if you favour wrong-sex pronouns for transwomen you like, no sex offender deserves any politeness.

Rosie51

^If someone, whatever sex, is behaving inappropriately in any ward they could be removed.^ are you unaware of the woman who was raped on an NHS female ward by a transwoman complete with functioning penis? The hospital lied and denied for a year that the rape had happened because "there were no men on that ward" despite CCTV and witnesses. So they added gaslighting to this woman's suffering. Accommodating a man's 'feelings' counted for more than a rape victim.

I’m surprised that some posters will go so far as to accuse me of lying about the male on a female mental health ‘ward’ where the only divisions were curtains and the females were told he couldn’t be removed because he identified as a woman and removing him would be homophobic, in order to support their determination to be in the right.
Unfortunately for the other patients it was absolutely true. Eventually, promise of publicity was more effective than the fear or feelings of the females.

It just shows how far down the road of supporting harmful TW some posters have gone.

Signed.

Fleurpepper

Lathyrus

I suppose I should have said by simply stating she was an abused woman.

NO, because she was a fraud, and a very nasty one at that. Terrible story, and should have never happened. And hopefully very rare, and should not taint our views on real trans people, who should also be protected by Law.

The problem is Fleur, how can we tell?

I’ve been thinking about it a lot today. Not just in terms of trans but how a refuge can ensure safety and I think it’s very difficult.

It is being investigated so we can’t say too much about it ne of the major problems now is the loss of confidence in Women’s Refuges as safe places. Where can they go if nowhere is safe.