Petition : *Update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex*

So when someone commits a crime they are no longer a transwoman. You cant believe we can operate safeguarding with what can only be described as magical thinking.

Sorry, because HE was a fraud

I’m not misrepresenting anybody’s view.

What have I said about your view.

I’ve related a case that was I the papers this morning. Because you expressed a concern for children I’ve asked you how we can prevent this kind of abuse from happening.

I’d like anybody else view on that too.

Maybe, like me, you don’t have any answer as to how it can be prevented. But turn it into a personal thing because it isn’t.

Lathyrus

I suppose I should have said by simply stating she was an abused woman.

NO, because she was a fraud, and a very nasty one at that. Terrible story, and should have never happened. And hopefully very rare, and should not taint our views on real trans people, who should also be protected by Law.

Sorry that was in response to the suggestion that the article wasnt sympathetic to gender critical ideas.
I keep doing this to you Lathyrus.

You are misrepresenting my views again Lathyrus

I'm not answering questions that misrepresent my views when they have been made very very clear just so that you have someone to take your anger out on.

You dont say.

I suppose I should have said by simply stating she was an abused woman.

VioletSky

I guess that's what triggers me to anger on theses topics

Personal stuff against me, I've got a thick skin

But the idea that any bullying around trans issues or public conversations or authors they respect leading to any child or young person being too afraid to reveal their feelings and self harming or suiciding

Well that just absolutely horrifies me

I was thinking on my walk today that perhaps I can't change what other adults say but I can behave myself in ways that inspire confidence in children and young people that someone will listen

I wonder if you read the case in the papers today of a convicted paedophile who lived as a transwoman for several months in a women’s refuge.

Presenting as an abused woman, “one of us” to use your own phrase, the women in the refuge trusted them with their children in the everyday life of the refuge allowing them to supervise play, help with babies, all the things that they supported each other with.

This account made my blood run cold.Hiw easy it was for this person to gain access to children simply by stating he was an abused woman.

I wonder if you have any views on how this could be prevented in a world where someone has access to female safe spaces simply by stating they are a woman?

This is a very interesting article about a research study- Around the Toilet journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0038026120934697
It isn't sympathetic to gender critical ideas.

Allsorts

No idea what is the point?
Mollygo, you obviously have a big problem with men, I don’t, I have sons and male members in my family who are great people, not awful people quite the reverse. I’ve met some very fierce women who are man haters and men that are bullying and are predatory , but don’t class all people the same because of the few.

I have no problem with men. I have no problem with my DH, my children, my in-laws, my grand children, my friends or my colleagues who are male, so I’m not quite sure on what basis you make your assumption.
How many times do you need to be told that I only have a problem with any male, TW or otherwise and any female, who harms, or discriminates against females by cheating in sport, or claims entitlement to female rights.
From your post, it seems you would have no problem with those males who for example, invade female only spaces, pretend to be female when a female nurse has been asked for or use TW claims to cheat in female sports.
Are you saying that you support those males, TM or otherwise, who harm, distress or discriminate against females?
2 easy questions.
1. If you’re saying you do have a problem with the males I mention above and you don’t support males, TM or otherwise who harm, distress or discriminate against females then you know exactly where I stand.
2. If you’re saying you don’t have a problem with the males I mention above and you do support males, TM or otherwise who harm, distress or discriminate against females then I know exactly where you stand.

I realise this is complicated and you may not read to the end or feel inclined to answer so lacking a response means you probably fit 2. above but don’t want to admit it.

I guess that's what triggers me to anger on theses topics

Personal stuff against me, I've got a thick skin

But the idea that any bullying around trans issues or public conversations or authors they respect leading to any child or young person being too afraid to reveal their feelings and self harming or suiciding

Well that just absolutely horrifies me

I was thinking on my walk today that perhaps I can't change what other adults say but I can behave myself in ways that inspire confidence in children and young people that someone will listen

Oh... thank you

Children and especially babies coming to harm is just, difficult to manage

I was agreeing with you VS 🙄

The man in question was not identified so the details of this story are not actually coming from him in any kind of public way.

Possibly because after a devastating loss the hateful comments he would likely receive on top just aren't manageable

Yes of course it could happen to any pregnancy and not always because they are obese but that was the factor here

And the patient stated that pregnancy was possible

I don't get why you guys are questioning this then? You believe a trans man is a woman, and the patient stated that they were trans?

So surely you should be angry about this too?

VioletSky

Yes the patient being obese did have something to do with it as that would disguise a pregnancy bump. So what couldn't be seen with the eye should have been looked for by other means

It is possible for bumps to be disguised. The daughter of a friend of mine went into labour without realising she was pregnant.

I still think we would need more details about the fee system and about what actually happened to draw conclusions. If the patient had gone to reception and said 'I am a transman, who has had unprotected sex with a man in the last 9 months and as such I might be pregnant, and here is my insurance card' then there is definitely a case to be made that the hospital was negligent. If, OTOH, the introduction was 'My name is Mr Smith. I have strong abdominal pains and urinary incontinence, and my insurance is not paid up', then there is a different case to answer, (given the way the American system works).

I see, but that could happen with any obese female patient couldn't it.

No idea what is the point?
Mollygo, you obviously have a big problem with men, I don’t, I have sons and male members in my family who are great people, not awful people quite the reverse. I’ve met some very fierce women who are man haters and men that are bullying and are predatory , but don’t class all people the same because of the few.

We all know a pregnancy test takes less than a minute

Oh, and yes, the phrase was 'gender assumptions' - sorry about that.

Ok, how about 'thinking that a preference for particular societally-determined actions and appearances is indicative of the sex of an individual, as opposed to their hormones, gametes or sex organs.'?

Yes the patient being obese did have something to do with it as that would disguise a pregnancy bump. So what couldn't be seen with the eye should have been looked for by other means

Thank you VS, so were the results of the pregnancy test done in the hospital that were positive ignored or did the hospital wait for those results before carrying out an examination?

From the information you've given I see nothing to suggest that the patient being obese had anything to do with it.

It looks as though the US Insurance-based system is to blame, then. Yes, someone should have realised that the patient was in labour, but (to me at least) it is unsurprising that they didn't, given that so much trouble had been taken to disguise the fact that this was possible.

The US medical system is very much centred around an ability to pay, and if this person couldn't afford blood pressure medication the chances are this would be true of medical insurance too.

I'm not making excuses. I would need to know what would happen in that State if a woman presenting as such had come in in similar circumstances before knowing what to think, really.

No, me either... glorianny