Petition : *Update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex*

In other news, this child is 9, sex education starts at 10.

Oh no!

The child has not been harmed in any way by that misunderstanding

Please explain to me your problem with it

Or is this "Oh no! bisexual superman!" all over again?

I haven't seen any disgusting views from those who don't share GC views. I've seen some from those with GC views that I found unpleasant, and many that I disagree with, but wouldn't describe any of them as disgusting. Nothing that would arouse revulsion.

She isn't Bi because she misunderstood a concept. We know that, her family knew that but she didn't know that did she. She accepted what she'd been told by her teaching assistant and believed at that moment that she was bi.

No one has said people have a choice over their sexuality and no one has said that children are harmed by having gay parents.

Parents should explain the misunderstanding and move on with their day agreed, and should contact the school to prevent this misinformed teaching assistant from confusing any other 9 year old.

Ah so if people mention they are a TA and not a scientist, that means discussing their job and how you believe they do it is OK?

That makes no sense at all

I think I am also entitled to a voice on gransnet and the methods used to shut down anyone who doesn't share GC views are pretty disgusting. As evidenced by this thread

I just don't let it ruin my day

VioletSky

Idk why you guys do this stuff

It's a weird hobby

VS, Who brought your job and your implied criticisms of others onto GN?
I thought it was you.

Why do you do this stuff VS?

eazybee

'I am a very good TA'.
I immediately heard my mother's voice' 'Blessed is she who bloweth her own trumpet.'

I am devoutly thankful that I retired as a teacher and Senco before these trans issues apparently became part of the curriculum. I have grave concerns about who is teaching what to whom, and how.

A friend's granddaughter announced over a family tea recently that she was bi; when asked what she meant she said the 'teacher' (actually a TA) had told them that some people loved the opposite sex and that was fine and some people loved the same sex and that was fine too, and if they loved both sexes that meant they were bi, so she reasoned that as she loved her brothers and male cousins, but also her best girl friends, that made her bi. She is nine.

Oh for goodness sake

She isn't Bi because she misunderstood a concept

People have no choice over their sexuality

Young children are not harmed by having gay parents and some children do

Parents should explain the misunderstanding and move on with their day

Are you listening to yourselves?

It's OK to say you are good at something lol

I hope you all feel you are good at something in life

And rightly so IMO if a child's feelings were being skewed by their teacher or teaching assistant.

Smileless2012

Good grief eazybee did her parents contact the school?

No wonder there are children confused about their identity and sexuality. I can't imagine in what context a teacher or teaching assistant would think it appropriate to discuss bi with a 9 year old.

I remember when exactly those ideas were expressed about homosexuality.

Good grief eazybee did her parents contact the school?

No wonder there are children confused about their identity and sexuality. I can't imagine in what context a teacher or teaching assistant would think it appropriate to discuss bi with a 9 year old.

There was sadly a breakdown in communications and care which did result in the death of the baby in this case.
Problems will arise though when the sex marker on a patient's notes is changed with no indication of the natal sex. There are diseases that present differently in men and women, heart attacks being one. There has been a bit of noise recently that medical practices, medications etc have all been judged on the male response, when the female response can be quite different. Test results which would be fine in a male can be an indication of problems for a female. If there is no marker indicating the natal sex, then problems will arise, and some will have serious consequences. There needs to be a system which records both birth sex and the way the patient wants to be regarded.

'I am a very good TA'.
I immediately heard my mother's voice' 'Blessed is she who bloweth her own trumpet.'

I am devoutly thankful that I retired as a teacher and Senco before these trans issues apparently became part of the curriculum. I have grave concerns about who is teaching what to whom, and how.

A friend's granddaughter announced over a family tea recently that she was bi; when asked what she meant she said the 'teacher' (actually a TA) had told them that some people loved the opposite sex and that was fine and some people loved the same sex and that was fine too, and if they loved both sexes that meant they were bi, so she reasoned that as she loved her brothers and male cousins, but also her best girl friends, that made her bi. She is nine.

OnwardandUpward

FarNorth

A situation where a baby died, in part because a female person was designated 'male' in her medical notes.

metro.co.uk/2019/05/20/pregnant-transgender-mans-baby-died-because-nurse-didnt-realize-he-was-in-labor-9613972/

How awful, but totally unavoidable. I don't understand though. I would have thought if a female person was designated male in their medical notes they would first have had to have had a hysterectomy and mastectomy with bottom surgery too?

I would also have thought that in many cases it must be necessary to take hormones to live as a gender you weren't biologically born as? If so, I would have thought they would also carry risks and should be obvious on the patients medical notes.

It's so sad when it could have been avoided with honesty and transparency. Also, anyone living as a man but procreating with a man needs to have the facts of life explaining to them, so they understand what happens in labour. They could then advocate for themselves in a transparent way.

No one is saying they can't live as they choose, but there needs to be some honesty and transparency in the medical notes and some education .

Let's be very clear this case was a lack of proper care and attention of staff (possibly through ignorance, possibly prejudice). This man presented with pains. He told staff that he had done a pregnancy test so they knew there was a possibility. They did a pregnancy test (something presumably they don't usually do on men) so they knew there was a possibility. They ignored him because he was fat and trans. Could those of you attributing it to what was on his notes please stop doing so.
As the doctor investigating said
The man’s case was highlighted by Dr Daphna Stroumsa in the New England Journal of Medicine on Wednesday as an example of how gender assumptions can be detrimental in hospitals
That is assumptions by staff which caused the death of this baby.

VS
And one again, I have no say over the curriculum, we do not teach anything about trans in KS1 and your grandson would be lucky to have me as a TA.

Ooh! As My Nan used to say, Self praise is no recommendation!

I would also be very careful which children you try to share your ideology with.

And that is exactly what I’d say when I read your posts.
Fortunately,
They will hopefully have excellent educators who will teach them to make their own minds up.

My job and my ability to do it well is Not a topic for debate on gransnet and you have no right to make it one.

VS, Who brought your job and your implied criticisms of others onto GN?

Its utterly inaccurate to say gender critical people havent found solutions, in many schools the materials from transgender trend are used, they were set up to challenge the narrative of young peoples bodies being wrong. There have been court cases to ensure that discussion took place on womens rights, the continuous support of the detransitioners, the support of women in prison and in refuges, the endless campaigning about sport by some brave athletes.

VioletSky

sillydevil

There is a lot of math missing there I'm afraid

First you would need the percentage of population for each of those demographics.

Then you would need numbers for specific crimes

Then you could work out what percentage of each demographic had been a victim of each crime

That makes sense, except that there is no way of knowing how many transpeople there are, as some change their minds regularly and in any case there is no register (probably rightly).

As I keep banging on about, there are so few studies because collecting data is so difficult. I can understand transpeople not wanting to be on some sort of list, but it’s a problem for sociologists and statisticians. And criminologists and financial analysts and researchers of all kinds, particularly those who want to compare male and female experiences in order to equalise them.

We hear about how transpeople are the most marginalised group in society but what does that mean? How is marginalisation defined, and how is the number of transpeople affected by it measures, either in its own right or by comparison with other groups?

And despite all this, the gender critical are asked to find solutions to problems, and to quote statistics to ‘prove’ our point of view.

We teach all children about kind hands and kind words Rosie

You are the one who needs those lessons

Would you please stop attacking, I've told you several times we aren't teaching anyone about trans people in KS1

And I am a very good TA, I specialise in SEN and emotional support

You can rest assured that any child who is questioning their gender gets taught exactly nothing. My job is to listen and refer on concerns

I've told you all this before

My job and my ability to do it well is Not a topic for debate on gransnet and you have no right to make it one.

I won't be reporting but a lot of guidelines are being broken

That didn't format properly.
your grandson would be lucky to have me as a TA.
I"d reach him about kind hands and kind words

My grandson is a lovely boy, how dare you imply he'd need you to teach him anything!! He has amazing parents who you don't know at all, you are just an insulting egomaniac!! He may be severely disabled but he doesn't have his head up his arse!

^and your grandson would be lucky to have me as a TA.
I"d reach him about kind hands and kind words^ My grandson is a lovely boy, how dare you imply he'd need you to teach him anything!! He has amazing parents, you are just an insulting egomaniac!! He may be severely disabled but he doesn't have his head up his arse!

VioletSky

If I was going to lie, I'd have said I'm a biologist and googled myself some answers lol

As a TA I would definitely explain to everyones grandchildren what bullying is and why it is really not a good choice and definitely not a happy one

Still waiting on the links to the studies, unless that is they don't exist lol lol lol

Rosie51

The fact that you use "lol" so regularly shows you don't have any comprehension of parents and grandparents concerns!!!! No wonder so many of my FB friends with neurotypical children are choosing to home educate, it's frightening what our young people are being exposed to.

I laugh at things I find funny

It sounds like you are really upsetting yourself and not listening at all

I'll leave you to it

The GC ideology is the more harmful one, as evidenced on yet another thread

And one again, I have no say over the curriculum, we do not teach anything about trans in KS1 and your grandson would be lucky to have me as a TA.
I"d reach him about kind hands and kind words

I would also be very careful which children you try to share your ideology with. They will hopefully have excellent educators who will teach them to make their own minds up

The fact that you use "lol" so regularly shows you don't have any comprehension of parents and grandparents concerns!!!! No wonder so many of my FB friends with neurotypical children are choosing to home educate, it's frightening what our young people are being exposed to.

VioletSky

So so mean

Might go cry myself to sleep

I doubt that very much! My grandson means so much more to me, I really wish you had an inkling what it means to have such a severely disabled member of your family at the mercy of ideologues. It truly is frightening and a source of real concern.