Asylum seekers

This is how Brexit works isn't it.? Thousands of EU nationality workers return home sensing they aren't wanted here, leaving thousands of jobs unfilled, esp in our hospitals and care homes.
Thousands more coming the other way only too willing to fill those jobs are treated harshly, kept hanging around for months at great cost, and if the govt is on a lucky strike sent back again.
Meanwhile the UK grinds to a halt because important work is being done by no one.
Nevertheless we're told that this was the wish of the British people.

JenniferEccles

As the vast majority of these immigrants are young males from perfectly safe European countries like, most recently, Albania, they are most definitely economic migrants not refugees or asylum seekers.

As GG13 said, where are they all supposed to live eventually? We have a housing shortage due to our rapidly increasing population. Then there’s the added burden on an already stretched NHS.
Every country has a right to control its borders doesn’t it?
It’s an intolerable situation.

Government could actually properly fund the NHS and social housing

Brexit was supposed to find the NHS was it not? How’s that working out?

In the meantime how can all these thousands of people be accommodated and funded?

the asylum seeker whom i knew was offered £35 a week subsistence. but she declined to take it as she was staying somewhere, helping the household and getting food. a bit like an au pair.
that was a few years ago. so i assume equates to the £40 allowance.
the £8 is for those who have accomm provided, with meals. although in reality the food is often poor.
her application took about 6 years to be granted.

Quokka

ronib

From government website
Your claim for asylum might not be considered if you
Are from an Eu country
Travelled to the Uk through a ‘safe third country’
Etc
A safe third country is one that
You are not a citizen of
You would not be harmed in
Would not send you on to another country where you would be harmed

Just another get out.

The government website is wrong. There is no legal reason why a person should apply for asylum in a safe country they have travelled through.

When we were in the EU we could return them to a safe country in the EU that they'd travelled through, under the Terms of the Dublin Agreement. That has lapsed now that we no longer an EU member.

Now we're finding out what 'control your own borders' actually means and the Brexit lot really don't like it...

It's time that they faced reality, though we cannot keep these people out, they will contrive to come whatever we do.

So, instead of concocting expensive schemes to offload a small number onto a third country, and illegally keeping them in what almost amounts to concentration camps, they should get their fingers out to do something constructive about the situation.

It’s very defeatist to say we can’t keep these people out.
There must be a way. Australia managed it a few years ago.

Some people on here scare me.I suggest you read this. Key point:
Asylum applications to the UK are relatively low – 35,566 in the year to December 2019. This is significantly lower than the peak of 84,000 applications back in 2002. There’s a graph on the second attachment with year on year totals.
www.refugee-action.org.uk/about/facts-about-refugees/
And this: ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/promoting-our-european-way-life/statistics-migration-europe_en
I don’t suppose you will read it though, because it’s a lot easier to sit in your comfortable houses throwing stones at things you don’t understand. It makes me so angry.

Do people not realise that this country has been in breech of basic human rights since June? That this government has made people who come seeking asylum criminals, no matter what they may have undergone in their own country.
Here's what cam into operation in June.
www.amnesty.org.uk/blogs/campaigns-blog/dire-day-refugees-and-all-who-care-about-justice

Re the OP. Yes, as others have said, it is correct. But it's not right in my opinion, Quokka

And yes, Glorianny, some of us do realise but this government doesn't care. Writing to my MP yields nothing.

JenniferEccles

It’s very defeatist to say we can’t keep these people out.
There must be a way. Australia managed it a few years ago.

Why di you want to 'keep these people out'? At least 75% of them are accepted as bona fide asylum seekers once their applications have been processed and a significant number more win appeals against a negative decision.

We have always accepted asylum seekers and the nasty, xenophobic Brexit vote shouldn't make any difference to that. Even though many Brexit voters clearly think it should have done.

Asylum seekers are human beings fleeing intolerable circumstances, not flies to be swatted away.

We have too many old folk (like most of us) in this country and too many sick folk (like quite a lot of us) but not enough young healthy folk who are keen to work (like most of these asylum seekers)

It could be a win-win situation if we granted asylum to those doctors, nurses, care workers, engineers, architects, accountants, HGV drivers, vets, butchers, abattoir workers, fruit pickers, farm workers, factory workers, carpenters, plumbers, teaching assistants, shop assistants and flexible talented people who are willing to give it a go.

I agree NotSpag that it is not right. Why should we make it difficult for refugees to find refuge in this country. Someone ask where they should all go and another poster hinted that they should settle in the first friendly country they encounter.

The reason many choose the U.K. is because they speak enough of the language to get by and they have family already here. Of the 50 refugees abandoned at Victoria station all but 11 were able to contact family members to come and get them (according to todays Guardian). They can go to relatives after they have been processed.

And if they were allowed to work then they could probably support themselves.

The asylum seekers arriving across the Channel have demonstrated considerable initiative and fortitude in getting themselves to the UK. Surely they are mostly the kind of citizens we need and ought to be allowed to work while the Home Office drags its feet assessing their case rather than twiddling their thumbs in Manston and other detention centres.

I've often thought that Grantanow. If I were on an interview panel with somebody who had traipsed thousands of miles across the world and risked life and limb, I'd be keen to appoint.

I still want to know why the asylum seekers were homeless in London.
The Home Office said it wasn't a mistake!
What was it then?

I just found this:
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/03/we-were-left-by-the-road-asylum-seekers-stranded-in-london-describe-experience

Doesn't explain it though to be honest.

I entirely agree, process them quickly, give them work permits, don’t waste millions holding them in concentration camps.

Katie59

I entirely agree, process them quickly, give them work permits, don’t waste millions holding them in concentration camps.

That apparently is what a Germany does.

Sensible

I was concerned when I read this.
BBC News - Channel crossings: Albanian migrants recruited to the UK by gangs
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63488070

I picked out the chart from Avelines link.

We know an Albanian family with a very successful business locally, they are extremely worried.

Shocking report in today’s papers

On Times Radio on Friday, Chris Philp, a former immigration minister who was handed the policing brief in the most recent cabinet reshuffle, said: “If people choose to enter a country illegally, and unnecessarily, it is a bit, you know, it’s a bit of a cheek to then start complaining about the conditions when you’ve illegally entered a country

Re Albania:

The Amnesty International report does not seem to share the UK’s belief that this is a non-harming country

www.amnesty.org/en/location/europe-and-central-asia/albania/report-albania/

The truth is finally out.
The headline news on the BBC website states that criminal Albanian gangs are recruiting Albanians in the camps in France to work in the UK drugs industry, by offering to pay their expenses.

If this isn’t the impetus to do something about these migrants, I don’t know what is.

I was heartened to listen to Sir Michael Rose (ex M&S, now Asda) on QT last night saying exactly what some more sensible and compassionate members on this thread have said, namely, let people work while their claim is being processed, if people have employment, family life they are highly unlikely to abscond and disappear. Also, I have always maintained that if conditions in Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan were so unacceptable to the West that we initiated regime change or interfered/bombed the country, if it was so in need of help that members of our own armed forces lost their lives there, then surely, by definition, anyone coming from there is entitled to refuge?

JenniferEccles

The truth is finally out.
The headline news on the BBC website states that criminal Albanian gangs are recruiting Albanians in the camps in France to work in the UK drugs industry, by offering to pay their expenses.

If this isn’t the impetus to do something about these migrants, I don’t know what is.

All the migrants?

Would you not concede that there are indeed some fleeing persecution etc?