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Quokka Wed 02-Nov-22 20:32:16

Just read the following.

To claim asylum in the UK, a person must be IN the UK

It is not possible to apply from outside the country, and there is no asylum visa to enable people to travel to the UK legally to apply for asylum.”

Can this be right?

Fleurpepper Fri 04-Nov-22 12:46:02

HousePlantQueen

I was heartened to listen to Sir Michael Rose (ex M&S, now Asda) on QT last night saying exactly what some more sensible and compassionate members on this thread have said, namely, let people work while their claim is being processed, if people have employment, family life they are highly unlikely to abscond and disappear. Also, I have always maintained that if conditions in Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan were so unacceptable to the West that we initiated regime change or interfered/bombed the country, if it was so in need of help that members of our own armed forces lost their lives there, then surely, by definition, anyone coming from there is entitled to refuge?

Rose was indeed impressive, intelligent and compassionate, last night, and full of common sense. The kind of child of immigrants on both sides who have contributed so so much to this country.

Kandinsky Fri 04-Nov-22 12:46:39

The headline news on the BBC website states that criminal Albanian gangs are recruiting Albanians in the camps in France to work in the UK drugs industry, by offering to pay their expenses

What a surprise.
But let’s still feel sorry for them & welcome them with open arms, we need extra workers after all.

vegansrock Fri 04-Nov-22 12:48:29

So ALL asylum seekers are Albanian criminals? Really?

MaizieD Fri 04-Nov-22 12:51:07

Let's sort the sheep from the goats before we start making judgements, shall we,*Kandinsky?*.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 04-Nov-22 13:06:44

I am watching the lunchtime news and it’s leading with Albanian Criminal Recruiters working out of French camps They are middle men for the Iraqi-Turkish drug gangs which have been operating in these camps for years.

70% of the young men in Tirana and surrounding areas have left heading towards the U.K.

Something is dreadfully wrong with this, before you shout me down I have just précis the news report.

Happilyretired123 Fri 04-Nov-22 13:10:24

Maybe read more than just the headlines Kandinsky?

Casdon Fri 04-Nov-22 13:12:16

Exactly as drug barons do in the UK, recruiting vulnerable youngsters who are from deprived backgrounds and have no support mechanisms to do the dirty work for them. The recruits aren’t the criminals, they are the victims.

Caleo Fri 04-Nov-22 13:12:18

Why are Albanians like that?

HousePlantQueen Fri 04-Nov-22 13:14:19

The people smuggling Albanian gangs and their alleged nefarious activities are a means of distracting the British electorate from the truth of the at best hopeless, at worst, cruel behaviour of the Home Office. I am not happy, who would, to have 'boatloads of criminals' of any nationality arriving here, but surely this is even more reason to speed up the processing of applicants? To put it bluntly, a family of Afghans is pretty easy to differentiate from a group of Albanian men. This grouping together and demonising of asylum seekers must stop.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 04-Nov-22 13:18:19

I am not grouping all asylum seekers together.

I have immense sympathy for all who are genuinely fleeing torture and tyranny.

Those coming to this Country to carry out illegal activities under the cloak of refuge are the lowest of the low.

They need to filter and check the immigrants as quickly as possible and those not meeting the criteria repatriated PDQ

Casdon Fri 04-Nov-22 13:20:13

Casdon

Exactly as drug barons do in the UK, recruiting vulnerable youngsters who are from deprived backgrounds and have no support mechanisms to do the dirty work for them. The recruits aren’t the criminals, they are the victims.

Unfortunately drug dealing is rife. We can’t get our act together to prevent children doing it. This is from Sky News today.
news.sky.com/story/groomed-harmed-and-even-killed-children-as-young-as-nine-sucked-into-drug-dealing-and-violence-12737818

Whitewavemark2 Fri 04-Nov-22 13:51:34

I can’t say it more often enough.

This would not be happening if we had a competent government and a home office that was properly run, instead of being run by some crazed ideologue.

Glorianny Fri 04-Nov-22 14:01:29

Well most of them won't get much drug dealing done if Suella Braverman has her way. They are stuck for weeks in accommodation intended to keep only a few for 24 hours. Diptheria and Scabies are spreading.
www.paih.org/Braverman-decision-diptheria-manston-kent

Whitewavemark2 Fri 04-Nov-22 14:07:08

MSRA as well.

It is concentration camp conditions.

Imagine the headlines if it was Russia and Ukrainian POWs

HousePlantQueen Fri 04-Nov-22 14:19:12

GrannyGravy13

I am not grouping all asylum seekers together.

I have immense sympathy for all who are genuinely fleeing torture and tyranny.

Those coming to this Country to carry out illegal activities under the cloak of refuge are the lowest of the low.

They need to filter and check the immigrants as quickly as possible and those not meeting the criteria repatriated PDQ

So, we are agreed then?

MerylStreep Fri 04-Nov-22 14:22:12

Gloriannie
The majority are not coming into Dover. The majority are landing on Shakespeare Beach and Samphire Hoe.

HousePlantQueen Fri 04-Nov-22 14:26:16

Whitewavemark2

I can’t say it more often enough.

This would not be happening if we had a competent government and a home office that was properly run, instead of being run by some crazed ideologue.

The Home Office under Tory control has a history of crazed idealogues, although Braverman is surely the worst. So far. It began with the buses driving through London telling people to go home (Theresa May). and continued downwards. A quick read of FB, or even, dare I say it, of GN, shows that this disgusting demonisation of people seeking help and sanctuary, is a popular policy for the Tories and their supporters. Throw in a few drug dealing Albanians for red meat and everyone is distracted. Are people so stupid economically illiterate that they think we would have enough social housing for all, no waiting lists at hospitals, no potholes, hip replacements for all, if only we could stop less than 40k people from asking to live here. ?

TerriBull Fri 04-Nov-22 15:13:27

As someone posted up thread, it's pretty easy to distinguish between those who are coming from Afghanistan for example, in need of a safe haven, as opposed to young Albanian men who do not.

When Albania opened up its borders many left the country, which was understandable when the population had suffered a hard life under a despot. Its proximity to Corfu in particular, a mere couple of miles away I believe and further afield parts of Southern Italy make those a gateway to access the rest of Europe easily. Albania is a relatively small country with an ever diminishing population, less than 3 million, they need their young back to help it flourish. I mentioned up thread, it is tipped to become the next hot spot in the Mediterranean, its coastlines are, lovely, like adjacent countries that border it. It's very unfortunate that Albania has become synonymous with drugs, allegedly they pretty much have the monopoly on the illegal cocaine trade in London so it's easy to imagine just where those new arrivals will end up along with terrorised youngsters who get sucked into county lines. There's an irony that young Afghan men are fleeing their country because they are at risk being drafted into The Taliban, Albanian young men don't have that duress until they reach these shores when they may find themselves forced to join a criminal underworld with all the dangers that go with that. With that in mind, how much better it would be for them to return home to be part of something legitimate rather than endanger not only their lives but the lives of young kids here. For established law abiding settled Albanians, I imagine like Mexicans in the US, they must be sick of having their identities tarnished by the one dimensional view of their countries' associations of gangs or cartels.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 04-Nov-22 15:32:58

Terribull our local Albanian friends are extremely worried.

TerriBull Fri 04-Nov-22 16:23:52

Yes must be hard for them GG

Glorianny Fri 04-Nov-22 16:30:17

MerylStreep

Gloriannie
The majority are not coming into Dover. The majority are landing on Shakespeare Beach and Samphire Hoe.

Oh yes. A 30 min journey by road. No one would do that to people would they? No doubt they are put in a limo and checked into the nearest 5 star.

growstuff Fri 04-Nov-22 16:31:16

TerriBull That seems a good summary and coincides with what I've read about Albanians. Relatively few of them are granted asylum in the UK, apart from trafficked females.

It would make more sense for richer countries to support Albania to become a modern, democratic and prosperous state, which people don't want to leave. Otherwise, it's going to become a political vacuum and open invitation for Russian influence.

Prentice Fri 04-Nov-22 16:37:48

Good post Terribull
I think Albania wants to join the EU but can’t see it happening any time soon.
Albanian men should be quickly sorted out by HO officials and sent back.

vegansrock Fri 04-Nov-22 16:43:12

Only 4% migrants get their claims heard within 12 months - this indicates the system is not fit for purpose and it hasn’t been for years.

growstuff Fri 04-Nov-22 17:11:15

vegansrock

Only 4% migrants get their claims heard within 12 months - this indicates the system is not fit for purpose and it hasn’t been for years.

That's the underlying problem. What happens is that those with legitimate claims are left languishing for months or years, not allowed to work and contribute to society. Those with criminal tendencies slip through the system and get involved with established gangs. They're prepared to risk it because they know they won't get caught for a while. The police, the Border Agency and the National Crime Agency need more investment.