Asylum seekers

hallgreenmiss

I’m beginning to suspect that this government is deliberately stirring up antagonism towards refugees and asylum seekers in order to gain support for draconian legislation that was passed earlier this year.
www.stylist.co.uk/news/clause-9-explained-nationality-and-borders-bill/608857

That is probably true

I’m beginning to suspect that this government is deliberately stirring up antagonism towards refugees and asylum seekers in order to gain support for draconian legislation that was passed earlier this year.
www.stylist.co.uk/news/clause-9-explained-nationality-and-borders-bill/608857

Urmston, Kent isn’t the only place where children struggle to get their first choice and have to travel.
Austerity, cuts, 12 years of Tory misrule are factors but let’s not politics get in the way of demonising asylum seekers.

varian

Where did you read that UG?

Probably the Daily Express.

Where did you read that UG?

I read yesterday that in parts of Kent there aren’t enough school places now for Y7 and Y9 local children as migrants need them and the local kids can’t get their first choice schools and some are being bussed by their council to schools 20 miles away. Their families are furious.

Jackiest

There is very little election fraud in the UK so we have to ask why is the government so keen to spend a huge amount of money on a Voter Card.

www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-we-do/our-views-and-research/our-research/electoral-fraud-data

There were 6 cases of voter fraud in the last election out of 32m votes cast.

The government aren't paying for it, it's up to local councils to deliver these free ID cards, which will be quite expensive for areas with elderly populations who've given up driving and let their passports lapse, and poor areas where people neither drive nor travel abroad. There are approximately 2m such people.

I had to smile at my friend mentioned above. She is always telling me how dreadful it is for refugees and asylum seekers and how sorry she is for them. The minute they house some in her area she is writing to her MP and councillor to get them moved.
Is this what they call nimbyism?

Katie59

growstuff

Nobody's saying that an ID card would have to be carried around at all times, but it could prove useful to people who don't have the sorts of ID people usually use for picking up post, proving age, etc.

Not much point having an ID if you leave it at home.

That point rather did occur to me. All these tales of relatives in other countries who never take their ID card around with them does rather invoke that question.

What is the point of an ID card if no-one wants to see it and you can leave it at home? It's just more expense and bureaucracy....for what

i wonder what kind of ID will be required to be produced in order to apply for the voter card...

There is very little election fraud in the UK so we have to ask why is the government so keen to spend a huge amount of money on a Voter Card.

www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-we-do/our-views-and-research/our-research/electoral-fraud-data

The government is apparently introducing Voter Cards, which will be a form of ID, before next year's elections:

The Elections Bill makes provision for an “Electoral Identity Document” to be provided free of charge, to ensure that all electors have access to an accepted form of identification – this will be a free Voter Card, issued by local authorities.

Detailed information on how the Voter Card policy will be implemented will be set out in secondary legislation in due course. The government’s current intentions are set out below.

Information on the card
The information on the Voter Card will be kept to a minimum – it will show the elector’s name and photograph, the local authority that issued the card, and a card number. This is the essential information required for the voting process, and in taking this approach we have deliberately sought to ensure inclusivity (though more information, such as the elector’s address and date of birth, will necessarily be required to apply for and receive a card).

The elector’s date of birth has been intentionally excluded for Great Britain. The government does not intend for this card to be used for demonstrating proof of age. This is consistent with the fact we have always been clear that this policy will not introduce a national identity card by the back door; the Voter Card is solely for the purpose of supporting the democratic process.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/voter-identification-at-polling-stations-and-the-new-voter-card/protecting-the-integrity-of-our-elections-voter-identification-at-polling-stations-and-the-new-voter-card

Katie59

growstuff

Nobody's saying that an ID card would have to be carried around at all times, but it could prove useful to people who don't have the sorts of ID people usually use for picking up post, proving age, etc.

Not much point having an ID if you leave it at home.

Well, yes there is.

I have only ever used ID for specific purposes (picking up post, applying for jobs, benefits, rented accommodation, opening a savings account, registering with a GP, etc). I have ID (although it's sometimes a faff getting together what's needed), but some people don't. It would be useful for people to apply for an ID card if they wanted one - I would probably get one anyway because it would be easier than having to find two or three pieces of ID when needed.

People such as black males in London, who are often stopped by the police, might find them useful to show who they are.

Kate1949

I have a friend who lives in a sea side town in south west England. She phoned me yesterday in a state. She said a hotel in the town had been given.ovet to 'refugees'. She said she is afraid to go out, terrified her house will get burgled and she doesn't want to live near 'those sort of people'. Oh dear. No compassion there.

Ilfracombe?

The UK must be a terrible place if fewer migrants want to come here than want to go to the US, Germany, France , Sweden etc..
Logic?

I have a friend who lives in a sea side town in south west England. She phoned me yesterday in a state. She said a hotel in the town had been given.ovet to 'refugees'. She said she is afraid to go out, terrified her house will get burgled and she doesn't want to live near 'those sort of people'. Oh dear. No compassion there.

Maudi

The EU must be a terrible place if people are terrified of applying for asylum there (who knew) and have to pay vast sums of money to illegal smuggling gangs to cross the chanel in a dinghy to come to the UK.

Some people are very naive.

Some people don’t do any fact checking, and have no compassion for the plight of others. Other people try much harder to understand, do fact check and have empathy.

growstuff

Nobody's saying that an ID card would have to be carried around at all times, but it could prove useful to people who don't have the sorts of ID people usually use for picking up post, proving age, etc.

Not much point having an ID if you leave it at home.

Maudi

The EU must be a terrible place if people are terrified of applying for asylum there (who knew) and have to pay vast sums of money to illegal smuggling gangs to cross the chanel in a dinghy to come to the UK.

Some people are very naive.

The majority of those coming to UK either have English as a second language or family member in UK, probably Albanians are the exception where the mafia are expanding thei4 crime network.

Maudi you have said things on this thread that I can't agree with but calling a person an illegal is dehumanising.
This is the language I deplore.

The EU must be a terrible place if people are terrified of applying for asylum there (who knew) and have to pay vast sums of money to illegal smuggling gangs to cross the chanel in a dinghy to come to the UK.

Some people are very naive.

Nobody's saying that an ID card would have to be carried around at all times.

I am. I'm saying just that. That's what we have to take into account. That's the problem.

Why is that so difficult for people to understand?

Nobody's saying that an ID card would have to be carried around at all times, but it could prove useful to people who don't have the sorts of ID people usually use for picking up post, proving age, etc.

I wouldn't trust any ID card system with Braverman in charge of it.

Oh yes, of course Maudi. People who have been persecuted in far off places that aren't actually at war, and have completely upended their lives, don't have any families that are worried about them. That's a given.

(Feeling very sarcastic this morning)