Asylum seekers

There's a line in one of the James Plays when a father is trying to get his son to come home from Italy.

The son says that ordinary men in Italy have angels painted on the walls of their houses, but being rich in Scotland just means you have a few more wet sheep.

Thinking of that always makes me laugh.

Annaram
They’ve got a lot of this as well.

www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/albania-seventh-globally-for-cannabis-cultivation-and-distribution/

To the above.
I’ve seen actual photos of the fields, it’s mind blowing, and that’s not a pun.
They were shown to me by a friend who had his business shut down by Albanians.

I see that the idiot who bombed the Dover immigrant centre and then blew himself up was motivated by right wing ideology.

Well, what a surprise.

Anyone but the hard of thinking will have worked that out.

When we were on holiday in Montenegro a few years ago, the car hire company we rented our car from warned us not to go into Albania with the car. Apparently it was likely have parts stolen from it, or the whole car stolen. You can all make of that what you will. We didn’t go into Albania for that reason.
Recently we were on holiday in Corfu. You can see Albania from Corfu, it’s very near. There were boat excursions to Albania and then you get a coach to an important historical site, or you could just stay in the village where you arrived. We would have liked to have gone and visited the historical site (Roman I think but could have been Greek) but it was a bit late in the season and we couldn’t fit it in as not as many excursions were going. Another time maybe.

Hate to say it at this time but we were warned about criminals based in the Ukraine and some sort of Ukrainian mafia.

Those who keep ranting on about economic migrants may need reminding that both Braverman and Patel the worst Home Secretaries we have ever had, are children of economic migrants.

nanna8

Hate to say it at this time but we were warned about criminals based in the Ukraine and some sort of Ukrainian mafia.

Ukraine has a long history of corruption, mafia, and far right fascist militia including the infamous Azov Battalion, but that doesn't mean that there are not genuine refugees who need asylum at this time.

However, the idea that they should be lined-up to join NATO or the EU is wide off the mark, IMO.

Re the Albanians: given that, according to the BBC news item, the vastly increased traffic of young Albanian men is triggered by social media, then surely the government should employ the same tactics to discourage them? A blizzard of posts, pictures and threads of how unpleasant life is likely to be for them and how potentially dangerous it is to be involved with these gangs might deter them. Of course this should go along with weeding them out on arrival and sending them back at the Albanian government's expense.
This could only be a benefit for genuine refugees.

Albanians come here because they know that , unlike in Germany or France, we don’t have ID cards so it’s easy to work under the radar. They also know the Home Office is so inefficient they can easily disappear during the years it takes for anyone to get their claims processed.

Whoever you are, you have to prove you have a right to work here. Even if you were born here/have citizenship. ID cards have nothing to do with it. Although I believe that people are told it's easier for them because we don't have ID cards.

Not true though.

volver

Whoever you are, you have to prove you have a right to work here. Even if you were born here/have citizenship. ID cards have nothing to do with it. Although I believe that people are told it's easier for them because we don't have ID cards.

Not true though.

There are always ways to work under the radar cash is king, especially when it’s in your hand, no tax no NI no questions.

Exactly, I agree GG13. So for people who want to work under the radar, and people who want to employ them, the absence of an ID card is no barrier.

I've seen the videos of boatloads arriving on shores of seaside towns and the migrants running up the beaches to disappear into the streets. Not noticed or registered. Who employs them? Provides accomodation etc? These ones won't qualify for benefits etc and will always just be unregistered. Not a great life hiding from authorities.

An outbreak of agreement here...

If only we had a functioning Home Office that would improve the chances of finding these people and deporting them if they are not allowed to be here.

Instead we have a Home Office which demonises families and wants people to think they are all being put up in 4* luxury. Did anyone hear that caller to James O'Brien this week who insisted asylum seekers were all given free cars?

I just can't see how people can just expect to turn up in another country and expect to be able to live there. How many of you would expect to go to another country and expect to be housed, fed and find a job? Yes of course we thank our lucky stars it isn't any of us crossing the channel or leaving our families but wouldn't it be better if wealthy countries such as ours helped financially the countries that are being abandoned?

I think we have to move away from the idea that countries are being abandoned and that all they need is a bit more money and it would be fine.

Asylum seekers are leaving countries where they feel persecuted or unsafe. There might not be war there, but it could be persecution of minorities, gay people perhaps. We could give as much money as we like to China but it won't stop them persecuting Uighurs.

In my opinion, we have to understand the difference between asylum seekers and economic migrants. There is a huge difference. I've been an economic migrant in 2 different countries, but I've never been an asylum seeker.

Aveline
They will be paid and accommodated. A lot will be living on the job so to speak 😉 Cuckooing.
The chances of them being pulled up in the street are next to zero.
They won’t be hiding. A lot will be doing delivery work at night. Provided the car they are driving is clean again, next to no chance of being pulled over.

even British people have to show ID before they can work

but wouldn't it be better if wealthy countries such as ours helped financially the countries that are being abandoned?

Just have a think about this, Skydancer.

Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia, Eritrea for example?

Countries where homosexuality is illegal?

Countries where minority ethnic groups or minority religious groups are being persecuted or even eliminated?

Who would the money go to and what chance would it have of being used to mitigate the conditions these people are fleeing from?

volver

I think we have to move away from the idea that countries are being abandoned and that all they need is a bit more money and it would be fine.

Asylum seekers are leaving countries where they feel persecuted or unsafe. There might not be war there, but it could be persecution of minorities, gay people perhaps. We could give as much money as we like to China but it won't stop them persecuting Uighurs.

In my opinion, we have to understand the difference between asylum seekers and economic migrants. There is a huge difference. I've been an economic migrant in 2 different countries, but I've never been an asylum seeker.

I agree with this volver.

MerylStreep

Aveline
They will be paid and accommodated. A lot will be living on the job so to speak 😉 Cuckooing.
The chances of them being pulled up in the street are next to zero.
They won’t be hiding. A lot will be doing delivery work at night. Provided the car they are driving is clean again, next to no chance of being pulled over.

If you’re right, these people are effectively being sold into slavery.
What happens to them when they are no longer able to work, I don’t imagine their ‘bosses’ continue to pay them, and they can’t claim benefits.

Maudi

09:34Glorianny

Oh well that's all right then one lovely Albanian gang member/people smuggler on the train who has good manners, so let's let them all in 😂

Maudi Very harsh indeed for all you know the man concerned can be here legally,he could be a trained Doctor working in our understaffed NHS.

MerylStreep

growstuff
The NCA together with the Spanish police had a success story at the beginning of October by breaking up an Albanian people smuggling gang. Albanian People Smuggling Gang are the words used by our own NCA officers.

The people landing on Shakespeare Beach have no intention of claiming asylum. For obvious reasons they don’t want our authorities to be aware of them. They certainly don’t want their photos taken or fingerprinted which is what happens when they enter a detention centre.

I know the NCA has successes, but its budget has halved since 2013. It needs more funding, so that it can have more successes like this one.

17:22glammanana

Good grief it was said tongue in cheek she never even spoke to man how ridiculous. Was it even true.