Asylum seekers

Glorianny
The people landing at these beaches are not calling for help.
They will be picked up, but by their own people. It won’t be a limo, too obvious.

I cannot even begin to imagine what these people go through. But how can we, or other countries, keep on taking people in? How are they to be funded, housed, educated etc? I'm not saying we shouldn't accept migrants but am asking a genuine question.

MerylStreep

Glorianny
The people landing at these beaches are not calling for help.
They will be picked up, but by their own people. It won’t be a limo, too obvious.

Many of them are genuine asylum seekers and are calling for help. The Border Agency and Home Office are so under-resourced that they can't control what's going on. It's possible too late now. The National Crime Agency is also underfunded and, since Brexit, has found co-operation with France and Belgium more difficult. Trafficking networks and criminal gangs have taken hold and it's going to take a massive effort to shift them.

Skydancer

I cannot even begin to imagine what these people go through. But how can we, or other countries, keep on taking people in? How are they to be funded, housed, educated etc? I'm not saying we shouldn't accept migrants but am asking a genuine question.

All the people on the boats are would-be migrants Skydancer, but not all migrants arrive in dinghies or are asylum seekers. I know migrants who are university researchers, small business owners, NHS employees... And all are UK citizens, now.

It suits the government to make out that all migrants are a drain on resources. But most migrants contribute to our country. The people I know who I mentioned above run businesses which employ people, pay taxes, and contribute significantly to the society in which we all live. So, given the opportunity, they fund themselves; some of them build houses; some of them are teachers in the schools.

Migrants are not a drain on resources, it's not a zero sum game where we only have a fixed pot of resources to draw from; migrants increase the size of the pot. Remember we have a shortage of working people here in the UK and the population is getting older. We need more people here who want to work and are able to do so.

If we had a functioning system, we would be able to check the people arriving in this country by whatever means and deport the people who have no right to stay here - including the "Albanian drug dealers" we hear so much about. But it suits the government to use "others" to cover up their own inadequacies.

growstuff
The NCA together with the Spanish police had a success story at the beginning of October by breaking up an Albanian people smuggling gang. Albanian People Smuggling Gang are the words used by our own NCA officers.

The people landing on Shakespeare Beach have no intention of claiming asylum. For obvious reasons they don’t want our authorities to be aware of them. They certainly don’t want their photos taken or fingerprinted which is what happens when they enter a detention centre.

JenniferEccles

The truth is finally out.
The headline news on the BBC website states that criminal Albanian gangs are recruiting Albanians in the camps in France to work in the UK drugs industry, by offering to pay their expenses.

If this isn’t the impetus to do something about these migrants, I don’t know what is.

And how about the Home Office employees who have been found offering to sell drugs at Manston asylum centre.

The talk of Albanian gangs was referred to as nonsense.
Now that the sainted BBC are are talking about it will it be believed?

Yes I agree MerylStreep the BBC and the MSM didn't want to talk about the so called invasion but Suella Braverman has now brought this out in the open so they can't ignore it. Not only Albanians but Interpols most wanted criminals have entered the UK on the dinghies. Yes I have every sympathy for genuine refugees fleeing war etc but even they have paid criminal gangs a lot of money to get here and passed through numerous EU countries so I even struggle to have sympathy for them.

Yes the government has been in power for 12 years but now the situation has escalated and people have had enough especially when they see mainly fit young males in warm 4 star hotels, fed 3 meals a day, access to healthcare (because its there human rights don't you know and a quick phone call to their lefty lawyer if things don't pan out who by the way are lining their pockets with legal aid money at our expense).

I get so fed up arguing facts with those who won't listen.

Best to just let them rant into the void now.

Says the prolific ranter 😂

Fine by me.

Aye, fair enough. My rants tend to be based on reality though, not imagination and hatefulness.

Albanians are the latest scapegoat for Tory incompetence.

The pattern is clear ever since they took office.

Albanian gangs have been known about throughout this past decade, and before we left the EU we were able to cooperate with them in controlling their activities.

There is nothing new about Albanian activities.

What is new, however is Tory incompetence and their unwillingness to cooperate with Europe in dealing with the issue.

Gangs exist, Tory incompetence exists.

Focusing on the Albanian gangs and not the reason for their apparent success is not going to solve the problem.

Yes there migh

Remind me, who said

“All you have to do is find someone to blame (for your incompetence) and keep repeating the lies” ?

The House of Commons published a research briefing document on migration which is a full report with supporting documents . Dated 22 September 2022. Well it’s raining here at the moment…..
Wonder what the critical news item will be for next ten days?

There was a lovely Albanian man on the train the other day. He offered me his hand when I stood up (it is getting harder these days). He was very caring and respectful towards the girl he was with as well. Spoke excellent English. Who knows he might have been a gang member or a people smuggler. But if so then their criminals have much better manners than ours!

09:34Glorianny

Oh well that's all right then one lovely Albanian gang member/people smuggler on the train who has good manners, so let's let them all in 😂

Nobody is advocating letting them all in.

Either you are not understanding that, or you are wilfully misrepresenting the situation.

Either way....

That's harsh Maudi. I'm sure there are lots of charming Albanian people here who have come through legitimate channels and for good reasons.
I was wondering this morning why they want to come to the UK. The hourly rate in Germany and France is not much less than here so why bother trying to come here?

I suspect there are different reasons as to why they want to come here. The biggest pull appears to be the very low level of wages in Albania, apparently the minimum wage in the UK is ten times more than that in Albania. Perhaps they don’t take into account that the cost of living is probably ten times higher too. Some obviously get pulled into the criminal gangs and that is a serious problem for us all. Some may be trafficked. Some may intend to go home when they’ve made their ‘fortune’ and others may not. Whatever their motives there is now an industry set up to get them here, according to the BBC news report last night. What to do about it? Well obviously the immigration/asylum process needs to be vastly improved. Is that going to happen? Well I’m not holding my breath, so the consequences will continue to be felt by us all, and Gransnetters can continue to fall out about it.

I'm sure there are lots of charming Albanians and lots of other charming people in the world, but Albania is not at war they are economic migrants or worse engaging in criminal activity when they get here most are not claiming asylum they just disappear off the boats,they have paid the smuggling gangs vast amounts of money to arrive on a dinghy why not book a plane ticket if they are genuine or catch the ferry. You can go on holiday to Albanian its quite safe there.

Minimum wage in Germany is 12 euros per hour and France just under that. So why risk the channel crossing?

Government has only itself to blame for not creating a safe and efficient means by which asylum seekers can claim asylum from abroad. Many asylum seekers are educated and skilled - just the kind of people the UK needs for economic growth. Let them work rather than detaining them. Let's grow up and not waste time vilifying refugees like Braverman does. Sunak should sack her.

Oh yes, I’m with you. This bill is a disgrace.

Some Albanians who have arrived in England say there is nothing in Albania except sheep. So many Albanian children have come to England that their schools are closing due to lack of pupils. Those left say their favourite subject is English as they will need it in England. Some Albanians say that Albania will be empty of people as they will all be in England.