Asylum seekers

Whitewavemark2

I can’t say it more often enough.

This would not be happening if we had a competent government and a home office that was properly run, instead of being run by some crazed ideologue.

The Home Office under Tory control has a history of crazed idealogues, although Braverman is surely the worst. So far. It began with the buses driving through London telling people to go home (Theresa May). and continued downwards. A quick read of FB, or even, dare I say it, of GN, shows that this disgusting demonisation of people seeking help and sanctuary, is a popular policy for the Tories and their supporters. Throw in a few drug dealing Albanians for red meat and everyone is distracted. Are people so stupid economically illiterate that they think we would have enough social housing for all, no waiting lists at hospitals, no potholes, hip replacements for all, if only we could stop less than 40k people from asking to live here. ?

Gloriannie
The majority are not coming into Dover. The majority are landing on Shakespeare Beach and Samphire Hoe.

GrannyGravy13

I am not grouping all asylum seekers together.

I have immense sympathy for all who are genuinely fleeing torture and tyranny.

Those coming to this Country to carry out illegal activities under the cloak of refuge are the lowest of the low.

They need to filter and check the immigrants as quickly as possible and those not meeting the criteria repatriated PDQ

So, we are agreed then?

MSRA as well.

It is concentration camp conditions.

Imagine the headlines if it was Russia and Ukrainian POWs

Well most of them won't get much drug dealing done if Suella Braverman has her way. They are stuck for weeks in accommodation intended to keep only a few for 24 hours. Diptheria and Scabies are spreading.
www.paih.org/Braverman-decision-diptheria-manston-kent

I can’t say it more often enough.

This would not be happening if we had a competent government and a home office that was properly run, instead of being run by some crazed ideologue.

Casdon

Exactly as drug barons do in the UK, recruiting vulnerable youngsters who are from deprived backgrounds and have no support mechanisms to do the dirty work for them. The recruits aren’t the criminals, they are the victims.

Unfortunately drug dealing is rife. We can’t get our act together to prevent children doing it. This is from Sky News today.
news.sky.com/story/groomed-harmed-and-even-killed-children-as-young-as-nine-sucked-into-drug-dealing-and-violence-12737818

I am not grouping all asylum seekers together.

I have immense sympathy for all who are genuinely fleeing torture and tyranny.

Those coming to this Country to carry out illegal activities under the cloak of refuge are the lowest of the low.

They need to filter and check the immigrants as quickly as possible and those not meeting the criteria repatriated PDQ

The people smuggling Albanian gangs and their alleged nefarious activities are a means of distracting the British electorate from the truth of the at best hopeless, at worst, cruel behaviour of the Home Office. I am not happy, who would, to have 'boatloads of criminals' of any nationality arriving here, but surely this is even more reason to speed up the processing of applicants? To put it bluntly, a family of Afghans is pretty easy to differentiate from a group of Albanian men. This grouping together and demonising of asylum seekers must stop.

Why are Albanians like that?

Exactly as drug barons do in the UK, recruiting vulnerable youngsters who are from deprived backgrounds and have no support mechanisms to do the dirty work for them. The recruits aren’t the criminals, they are the victims.

Maybe read more than just the headlines Kandinsky?

I am watching the lunchtime news and it’s leading with Albanian Criminal Recruiters working out of French camps They are middle men for the Iraqi-Turkish drug gangs which have been operating in these camps for years.

70% of the young men in Tirana and surrounding areas have left heading towards the U.K.

Something is dreadfully wrong with this, before you shout me down I have just précis the news report.

Let's sort the sheep from the goats before we start making judgements, shall we,*Kandinsky?*.

So ALL asylum seekers are Albanian criminals? Really?

The headline news on the BBC website states that criminal Albanian gangs are recruiting Albanians in the camps in France to work in the UK drugs industry, by offering to pay their expenses

What a surprise.
But let’s still feel sorry for them & welcome them with open arms, we need extra workers after all.

HousePlantQueen

I was heartened to listen to Sir Michael Rose (ex M&S, now Asda) on QT last night saying exactly what some more sensible and compassionate members on this thread have said, namely, let people work while their claim is being processed, if people have employment, family life they are highly unlikely to abscond and disappear. Also, I have always maintained that if conditions in Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan were so unacceptable to the West that we initiated regime change or interfered/bombed the country, if it was so in need of help that members of our own armed forces lost their lives there, then surely, by definition, anyone coming from there is entitled to refuge?

Rose was indeed impressive, intelligent and compassionate, last night, and full of common sense. The kind of child of immigrants on both sides who have contributed so so much to this country.

JenniferEccles

The truth is finally out.
The headline news on the BBC website states that criminal Albanian gangs are recruiting Albanians in the camps in France to work in the UK drugs industry, by offering to pay their expenses.

If this isn’t the impetus to do something about these migrants, I don’t know what is.

All the migrants?

Would you not concede that there are indeed some fleeing persecution etc?

I was heartened to listen to Sir Michael Rose (ex M&S, now Asda) on QT last night saying exactly what some more sensible and compassionate members on this thread have said, namely, let people work while their claim is being processed, if people have employment, family life they are highly unlikely to abscond and disappear. Also, I have always maintained that if conditions in Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan were so unacceptable to the West that we initiated regime change or interfered/bombed the country, if it was so in need of help that members of our own armed forces lost their lives there, then surely, by definition, anyone coming from there is entitled to refuge?

The truth is finally out.
The headline news on the BBC website states that criminal Albanian gangs are recruiting Albanians in the camps in France to work in the UK drugs industry, by offering to pay their expenses.

If this isn’t the impetus to do something about these migrants, I don’t know what is.

Re Albania:

The Amnesty International report does not seem to share the UK’s belief that this is a non-harming country

www.amnesty.org/en/location/europe-and-central-asia/albania/report-albania/

Shocking report in today’s papers

On Times Radio on Friday, Chris Philp, a former immigration minister who was handed the policing brief in the most recent cabinet reshuffle, said: “If people choose to enter a country illegally, and unnecessarily, it is a bit, you know, it’s a bit of a cheek to then start complaining about the conditions when you’ve illegally entered a country

I picked out the chart from Avelines link.

We know an Albanian family with a very successful business locally, they are extremely worried.

I was concerned when I read this.
BBC News - Channel crossings: Albanian migrants recruited to the UK by gangs
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63488070

Katie59

I entirely agree, process them quickly, give them work permits, don’t waste millions holding them in concentration camps.

That apparently is what a Germany does.

Sensible