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Northern Ireland solutions

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Curtaintwitcher Thu 03-Nov-22 16:59:06

If Northern Ireland severs ties with Great Britain and becomes an independent country, will civil war be the result?
I know all Irish people blame the British for their problems but it's no use harking on about the past. What is the best choice for the future of Northern Ireland?

kircubbin2000 Thu 03-Nov-22 15:36:18

Sinn Fein and DUP followers hate each other and have totally different outlooks on everything so I can't see them ever agreeing.
Each group will present a different view to the sec of state. The poor man hasn't a hope.

Katie59 Thu 03-Nov-22 14:40:25

It’s actually difficult to get a visa to enter the EU legally, millions would migrate legally if they could, just like the UK visas are very difficult to obtain

So the only way is to enter illegally and claim assylum, some also overstay student visas, or tourist visas.

Fleurpepper Thu 03-Nov-22 14:05:11

Whitewavemark2

Jane71

The UK was never in the Schengen Area, so people coming to the UK have always needed passports.

I agree, but it wasn't possible to limit the number of people coming into the country.

That is a myth. It was always possible to control migration into the EU.

There was never a free for all.

Every country has the right to request EU immigrants return home should they not begin work within 3 months of entry.

The fact is that the U.K. governments chose not to follow those rules, so not something you can lay at the EU rules of freedom of movement.

Oh thank you. How many times does it have to be repeated, again, and again, and again and ...

Whitewavemark2 Thu 03-Nov-22 14:00:00

Jane71

*The UK was never in the Schengen Area, so people coming to the UK have always needed passports.*

I agree, but it wasn't possible to limit the number of people coming into the country.

That is a myth. It was always possible to control migration into the EU.

There was never a free for all.

Every country has the right to request EU immigrants return home should they not begin work within 3 months of entry.

The fact is that the U.K. governments chose not to follow those rules, so not something you can lay at the EU rules of freedom of movement.

Katie59 Thu 03-Nov-22 13:46:11

It would enable tariff free trade to EU rules, it means us accepting their rules.
At present that is not a likely option.

Jane71 Thu 03-Nov-22 13:20:45

The UK was never in the Schengen Area, so people coming to the UK have always needed passports.

I agree, but it wasn't possible to limit the number of people coming into the country.

growstuff Thu 03-Nov-22 12:54:08

Jane71

*The UK has always had control over migration.*

I though that within the EU there was freedom of movement.

The UK was never in the Schengen Area, so people coming to the UK have always needed passports. The border between Ireland and Northern is an exception, as a result of the historic agreement when the Irish Free State was established.

Tuppence15 Thu 03-Nov-22 12:46:03

If the government spent as much energy sorting out the protocol as they have demanding another election it would all be sorted by now.
As for a united Ireland. Having lived in the south and now in the the north. I personally could not afford the cost of living that exists in the South.

Caleo Thu 03-Nov-22 12:37:41

I am part Irish and although reared Protestant I look forward to united Ireland , now that Ireland has no established religion.

Jane71 Thu 03-Nov-22 12:33:50

The UK has always had control over migration.

I though that within the EU there was freedom of movement.

Fleurpepper Thu 03-Nov-22 11:37:28

Depressing indeed. The DUP's behaviour is shameful. The reality is, that NI is the only part of GB that is doing well, exactly because they are still in the Single Market and CU.

By their shameful behaviour, they are enabling and hastening- the inevitable- exactly what they never wanted, then or now.

MaizieD Thu 03-Nov-22 11:12:36

My understanding is that it would enable tariff free trade, but allow control over migration.

What do you mean by 'control over migration'? The UK has always had control over migration.

Jane71 Thu 03-Nov-22 09:52:55

I find the situation in NI so depressing, with the DUP refusing to engage with the Assembly until the NI Protocol is rescinded.
The agreement we had under the Brexit deal was the most hard line possible to appease the Tory right wing.
Now the reality of Brexit is starting to hit home, would joining the EU Customs Union be a way forward? My understanding is that it would enable tariff free trade, but allow control over migration.