Britain is Broken protest in London

Grantanow

Electing Corbyn to be leader of Labour and creating such an obvious target for the Right wing media and other Tory friends shows Labour members to be more than naive. It fits the classic Left wing moan after losing at GEs that if only the Party had put forward a more radical manifesto they would have won. The only hope is that the Tories continue to mess up so Labour wins next time regardless of its leadership and manifesto. Rachel Reeves is a bright, rising star who deserves to be Chancellor if not PM.

Pretty much parallel to the Tories appointing Liz Truss as leader really *Grantanow, deaf to public opinion. Actually no, it was less serious than that, as at least Corbyn wasn’t the Prime Minister.

Could be, Grantanow but I don’t have faith in any of em.

Electing Corbyn to be leader of Labour and creating such an obvious target for the Right wing media and other Tory friends shows Labour members to be more than naive. It fits the classic Left wing moan after losing at GEs that if only the Party had put forward a more radical manifesto they would have won. The only hope is that the Tories continue to mess up so Labour wins next time regardless of its leadership and manifesto. Rachel Reeves is a bright, rising star who deserves to be Chancellor if not PM.

It’s the start of civil unrest and is bound to get bigger as the winter digs in.

Annofarabia

I don’t know anyone living a broken life. I used to volunteer at Crisis teaching teenagers in a hostel. They rarely turned their lives around so it was dispiriting. Taxpayers are giving me £900 for utilities so I will actually be much better off this year.

This is a bit confusing. On the one hand you say you don't know anybody living a broken life, then you say you taught teenagers with broken lives.

weeducky

Maybe all you Gransnetters should step up to the mark and put yourselves forward to run the country! This site is getting far too political just look in the forums page as to how many times politics has been discussed compared to other topics. Do you remember Liam Byrne's (? spelling) "there's no money left" comment when handing over to the Con/Lib coalition. All I am saying is be careful for what you wish for.

This site is getting far too political...

This site? We are on a news_and_politics forum and this particular thread is about a rally with a political message.

How do you suggest we discuss the event without getting "too political"?

Do you remember Liam Byrne's (? spelling) "there's no money left"

... hmm. I think that explains it.

HousePlantQueen

Annofarabia

I don’t know anyone living a broken life. I used to volunteer at Crisis teaching teenagers in a hostel. They rarely turned their lives around so it was dispiriting. Taxpayers are giving me £900 for utilities so I will actually be much better off this year.

I should have a reply to this, but sometimes I just can't be bothered. This is one of those times

Annofarabia because you don't know any individuals, that doesn't mean they dont exist. the evidence from most respected bodies like the Rowntree Trust and local evidence in terms of numbers using food banks, numbers of homeless, waiting lists for housing, waiting lists for care and waiting lists for vital operations on the NHS are all evidence easily accessible to you.

It partly depends on your health. We can't maintain the level of physical "joining ins" we used to. I can't - but I can write/email give what money I can bring it up in conversation where appropriate etc.

I can understand the feeling of odds sacked against tho.

With a lot of younger people I come into contact with sadly it seems to me it's more like trying to get them to believe it's worth bothering to listen to the news and turn out to vote. I can see their POV as well, but was brought up to literally be unable to see myself as separate from the political process, ie, if we let "them" have their way by our inaction then its partly our responsibility. ....but it was a lot simpler in the 1960's, when a national government actually had more control over what was happening in its own country, less international ownership of companies and capital ventures.

Annofarabia

I don’t know anyone living a broken life. I used to volunteer at Crisis teaching teenagers in a hostel. They rarely turned their lives around so it was dispiriting. Taxpayers are giving me £900 for utilities so I will actually be much better off this year.

I should have a reply to this, but sometimes I just can't be bothered. This is one of those times

I don’t know anyone living a broken life. I used to volunteer at Crisis teaching teenagers in a hostel. They rarely turned their lives around so it was dispiriting. Taxpayers are giving me £900 for utilities so I will actually be much better off this year.

demand that more is done to move the country towards no carbon emisssions and help for smaller poorer nations

Well that happened too, but they get dismissed as "ecorabble".

They aren't protesting against petrol cars. Theye protesting the hypocrisy of this government who pay lip service to net zero but grant licences for new oil and gas exploration, propose opening new coal mines, and dallied for a while with fracking.

It’s all just worn you down albertina

I didn't go but a dear friend of mine did. She marches regularly. I am ashamed to say that the last march I did was to support the Peace Women from Northern Ireland.

I don't know what's wrong with me. I am totally fed up with this rotten government but can't seem to stir my stumps to protest.

You are wrong MOnica this country is vulnerable on the election issue

It seems to me that this demonstration, which I have only just heard of, was utterly pointless.

A couple of thousand people demand an election, what effect are they going to have? Especially when we know this government has a good majority and does not have to call an election until the end of 2024. It might make the demonstrators feel better, but its effect will be nil,

Why didn't they organise a demonstration to support COP27 and demand that more is done to move the country towards no carbon emisssions and help for smaller poorer nations, this government is vulnerable on this issue, not not on the election issue.

I'm in the Labour Party and thank goodness we now hold the position that we do - a long way from the Corbyn era. I so wish they wouldn't trot (deliberate use of word) him out for a heartfelt rally on matters that effect all who don't have private medical insurance and an adequate income to face the trials and tribs ahead. I believe that Starmer and co do have a realistic grip on economic matters now. Pragmatists, but pragmatists who actually care more.

I don't think they will have a lot of wiggle room but if you look at the Shadow Cabinet there is a lot of talent and integrity in there.

I think almost certainly it will mean rises in income tax for those on middle and high incomes. I think there is simply no other choice. And it may or may not be declared upfront as its not "popular".

We have - or sorry, many have - a strange attitude to income tax in our country. We expect decent NHS and Care provision, but do not want to actually put hands in pockets and pay. And grumble at the failings of same.

In the Scandi counties especially it's generally accepted that you actually have to pay for what you need.

We are in the very real danger of the collapse of support systems for those at the bottom of the pile.

I'm glad to read that there are some DM readers who have an alternative POV but honestly I despair at the headlines.

How CAN these smug people who read and agree not see what is going on? I despair. To me, its an "I'm all right Jack" stance.

It doesn't seem to occur even that, for example, the asylum system AND border policing forces/police generally need a lot of money putting in and that money has to come from somewhere. They just decry what's happening.

We need the a Labour Government not because they will be able to produce any miracles but because they will run a more compassionate ship. Change is slow, will be slower than ever in current climate.

We'll theres certainly no money left now.

Maybe all you Gransnetters should step up to the mark and put yourselves forward to run the country! This site is getting far too political just look in the forums page as to how many times politics has been discussed compared to other topics. Do you remember Liam Byrne's (? spelling) "there's no money left" comment when handing over to the Con/Lib coalition. All I am saying is be careful for what you wish for.

I’m actually surprised the government has not devised a plan where more freight and distribution is done by rail, electric vans for local distribution are being phased in now.

You are funny (ha ha), Katie59.

Do you honestly believe that our current government would bother to do something like that?

HousePlantQueen

Nan0

Corban supports Iran , for this reason he will never get my vote

It is Corbyn. Not Corban.

Also, Nan0, unless you live in Islington North, you will not have the chance of voting for Corbyn.

Also tragic for the minority who do see through the manipulative behaviour of politicians and who are powerless to act.

MaizieD

ronib

Let’s try and think about this empirically that is evidence based. Where to start? Maybe with the list of election promises set out so eloquently by Boris Johnson. Easy enough to gauge progress or not…. If no action, then who would have failed to implement them? Maybe the Civil Service as administrators?

Election promises have to be translated into action by the minister in charge of the relevant department. It's not up to the civil service to implement manifesto promises, they have to do what they are instructed to do.

And a PM who was genuinely interested in fulfilling the manifesto (which Johnson never was) would be making sure that it was happening.

This is a reasonable attempt at describing the reasons why the Levelling Up manifesto promise isn’t happening.
Fundamentally, it was a promise that was always unrealistic, and was not backed up by funding or infrastructure either. There was never an intention to deliver. The real tragedy is that the majority of the electorate don’t see when they are being manipulated.
www.bloomberg.com/graphics/uk-levelling-up/boris-johnson-level-up-plan-in-trouble.html

MaizieD

Katie59

The ecorabble have blocked the motorway today in some pointless protest about oil, the UK IS phasing out Petrol cars what else do they expect to achieve.
Or do there lunatics expect to move food around using hand carts

I think they're worried that motorists haven't got the message, and that a glacially slow phasing out of petrol and diesel vehicles isn't enough to prevent further catastrophic warming...

We could move food around by rail and with electric distribution vehicles. Where there's a will, there's a way. There really isn't a great deal of will, though.

I’m actually surprised the government has not devised a plan where more freight and distribution is done by rail, electric vans for local distribution are being phased in now.

ronib

Let’s try and think about this empirically that is evidence based. Where to start? Maybe with the list of election promises set out so eloquently by Boris Johnson. Easy enough to gauge progress or not…. If no action, then who would have failed to implement them? Maybe the Civil Service as administrators?

Election promises have to be translated into action by the minister in charge of the relevant department. It's not up to the civil service to implement manifesto promises, they have to do what they are instructed to do.

And a PM who was genuinely interested in fulfilling the manifesto (which Johnson never was) would be making sure that it was happening.

Katie59

The ecorabble have blocked the motorway today in some pointless protest about oil, the UK IS phasing out Petrol cars what else do they expect to achieve.
Or do there lunatics expect to move food around using hand carts

I think they're worried that motorists haven't got the message, and that a glacially slow phasing out of petrol and diesel vehicles isn't enough to prevent further catastrophic warming...

We could move food around by rail and with electric distribution vehicles. Where there's a will, there's a way. There really isn't a great deal of will, though.