Will the corruption ever end? Gavin Williamson resigns

I think we know why Braverman was reappointed though Fleurpepper, she’s the candidate of the far right/ERG so is a sop to their priorities to keep them behaving whilst Sunak leads. Not saying I agree with her appointment, she should be gone, but that’s why she’s there, I’m not sure that’s fishy.
I’ve yet to hear a good explanation of why Williamson was there, other than ‘he knows too much’. What though?

Much more important, is why Suella Braverman was re-appointed? And why she has not been sacked since.

We know the ERG is behind this, but how, why? Something is very seriously fishy here. Blackmail? Worse? One day it will come out, and I am sure it is not going to be pretty (pun not intended!).

Iam64

It really doesn’t matter how ‘exasperated at an aide or civil servant ronib. Individuals who can’t control their temper and tell others to slit their throats have no place in public service.
Dickens, your post about the need to avoid ‘woke’ and speak strongly to ‘subordinates to get things done’ could ge taken from the rhetoric of Republicans in the USA
Bullying is bullying, it’s never good people management

Yes, Iam64 I quite agree.

We seem to be catching the same fever (and fervour) of the Trumplicans.

British values certainly have changed over the last decade or so, we appear to be more 'officially' tolerant of bullying.

GW used / uses the language of the bully. Nasty piece of work IMO. And totally unprofessional to boot.

Thinking of your recent bereavement - life must feel so very different now. x

Kandinsky

Bet they’ll never repeat ‘the thick of it’ -
Haha

I think it was the first episode in 2005 that introduced the idea of the national spare room database. In 2012 the government introduced the bedroom tax

ronib I come from a family where a number of members have worked in the "corridors of power". The son of a friend worked for years for a current government minister. I've been told that it's not quite like the impression the public has. The majority of senior civil servants are far from "woke". Special advisors are different because they tend to be of the same political persuasion as the government in power.

Civil servants in particular are professionals with detailed, in- depth knowledge of specific areas. They know what the issues are in delivering public services, so if a minister comes along and says he/she wants to do something which is unworkable, it's the civil servants' duty to point out the issues. Politicians sometimes over-promise to win votes without considering practicalities and resourcing. They then land the problem with civil servants who can't work miracles. Gavin Williamson seems to have thought that bullying could get the job done.

PS. Williamson might still have some supporters, but I bet none of them are involved in education. He made an absolute pig's ear of his brief.

Bet they’ll never repeat ‘the thick of it’ -
Haha

It’s a culture ronib imo, where behaviour that wouldn’t be acceptable in most workplaces, becomes ok. Like sending out for a new fridge to hold essential alcohol,

Iam64

It really doesn’t matter how ‘exasperated at an aide or civil servant ronib. Individuals who can’t control their temper and tell others to slit their throats have no place in public service.
Dickens, your post about the need to avoid ‘woke’ and speak strongly to ‘subordinates to get things done’ could ge taken from the rhetoric of Republicans in the USA
Bullying is bullying, it’s never good people management

Well I rather think half current members of Parliament behave and speak in quite extraordinary ways during televised debates. It can appear to be unacceptable behaviour and out of step with general business practices.
I am not justifying the actions of Gavin Williamson rather asking what tensions exist in the corridors of power.

In a long working career, including years as a manager, I had various staff working for me, who nearly drove me to drink, but I never at any time did I abuse them verbally, or write anything I might have any reason to regret.

in fact managers who did shout and bully were generally despised.

It really doesn’t matter how ‘exasperated at an aide or civil servant ronib. Individuals who can’t control their temper and tell others to slit their throats have no place in public service.
Dickens, your post about the need to avoid ‘woke’ and speak strongly to ‘subordinates to get things done’ could ge taken from the rhetoric of Republicans in the USA
Bullying is bullying, it’s never good people management

Or wouldn't do what he wanted...

A Ministry of Defence Civil Servant he took a dislike to.

Well exactly whose throat was meant to be split? I am confused!

Incidentally, aides aren't civil servants. They're special advisors and are appointed by ministers because they know that the aides will do the research for them, while they're in charge. They're very loyal to their ministers. Civil servants have detailed specialist knowledge that ministers don't have when they take on a new portfolio. It's their job to let politicians know if plans are unworkable or need adjusting.

He has support among the general public, unbelievably.

According to one of his fans, Westminster is a 'woke' world. Speaking "strongly" to subordinates in order to "get things done" should not be regarded as bullying.

... it's just your ordinary, everyday management-speak I guess, where telling someone to slit their throat and making vague threats to people with expletives is just, you know, the way professionals talk to their 'subordinates'...

How far some people will go to defend the indefensible - even making the victims the villains, and the villains the victims!

ronib

lovebeigecardigans1955

Has there ever been a time when we hold our politicians in such low regard?

Is anyone asking why a minister would be so exasperated at an aide or civil servants? I am interested in the power struggle between the elected government and the bureaucracy. It’s so easy for the msm to exaggerate and falsify information but it’s surely only guess work? What exactly was the dynamic between the minister and his civil servants which prompted such an over reaction?

There were no civil servants involved in the exchange with Wendy Morton, who was Chief Whip at the time. What about Anne Milton's allegation? No civil servants were involved either. The former deputy chief whip said: "I do remember him asking me to give the MP in question the cheque, and he waved it under my nose and said, 'make sure when you give him this cheque he knows that I now own him.'”

lovebeigecardigans1955

Has there ever been a time when we hold our politicians in such low regard?

Is anyone asking why a minister would be so exasperated at an aide or civil servants? I am interested in the power struggle between the elected government and the bureaucracy. It’s so easy for the msm to exaggerate and falsify information but it’s surely only guess work? What exactly was the dynamic between the minister and his civil servants which prompted such an over reaction?

I don’t hold out much hope upon reflection.
Sir Phillip Green from Top Shop and Arcadia group kept his gong didn’t he after those millions in pension assets were stripped.

Dear, oh dear.

“Sir Gavin Williamson faces being stripped of his knighthood, as Rishi Sunak admitted he regrets making him a Cabinet minister.

The former minister without portfolio resigned on Tuesday night after a series of accusations about his alleged threatening behaviour towards MPs and civil servants - including that he told an aide to “slit your throat”.

Now, he could lose his knighthood after being referred to the Forfeiture Committee, which is part of the Cabinet Office and has the power to withdraw honours in specific circumstances.”

Source : The Telegraph latest.

LadyHonoriaDeadlock "Curiously the initials of the foreign secretary and those of the nature of the conference were the same"

Tickled me up! 😅😅😅

LadyHonoriaDedlock

He's been sacked/forced to resign by three successive PMs. As Oscar Wilde didn't quite say, once is unfortunate, twice is careless and three times is rank incompetence.

This made me smile - for which I thank you.
Lady left field lover, the news consumption here )until my life changed recently) was the same as yours. I’m getting back into my stride, so far it’s The Guardian, channel 4 news, DM on line (bit of balance) and radio 4, 7-9 am, radio 5 in the morning, back to 4 at one o’clock then again at 5pm
I’m aiming to be tough enough for CNN and Al Jazeera, well as soon as I can be (for those who don’t know, I’m recently bereaved )

NanKate

What was he knighted for?

Because he was the one who opened the door of the foreign secretary's office without knocking while the minister was in, er, conference with one of his young staff members.

Curiously the initials of the foreign secretary and those of the the nature of the conference were the same.

He's been sacked/forced to resign by three successive PMs. As Oscar Wilde didn't quite say, once is unfortunate, twice is careless and three times is rank incompetence.

Sunak wanted to be different from Johnson, but so far he's struggling

link.news.inews.co.uk/view/626bacc9f2d729fb4f0ca9c2hn5u8.x7j/b2381e93

Oh Winterwhite, you are so naive.