Scarf in Suffragette colours not allowed in Scottish Parliament.

Saetana Says exactly how I feel.

Apologies if I've posted this already.
It's a very good article on the effects of the Gender Recognition Bill becoming law.

"Instead of clarifying the law, the bill will create constitutional and legal complications that will not benefit trans people, and which will inevitably generate litigation."
www.scottishlegal.com/articles/amanda-jones-gender-recognition-bill-will-complicate-rather-than-clarify-the-law

All right Glorianny what is your take on the idea that some men might claim that they feel like women, for predatory reasons?

Do you believe it never happens?

If you believe it happens, how should it be dealt with?

If you don't understand that forcing anyone to have medical examinations in order to live as they choose is unacceptable . . .

Who said they didn’t understand that? Where did they say it?

Or is this another of your random accusations or implications?

I’ll ask,

Who won’t say that whilst they support trans rights to feel like, dress like whatever they want, it doesn’t make them female?

Who won’t admit that the actions of some trans and their supporting TRA are responsible for the state of affairs where ordinary trans are unable to live in peace?

This is all I have to say on the subject:

Oreo

Callistemon Don’t give up the day job.q

😁

Of course I (and others) understand that forced medical intervention is unacceptable, and entirely unnecessary for people to have sex with people they are attracted to. But do you understand that there is a huge difference between that and wanting to be exempt from the rules and laws that apply to others of your sex, and do you understand that there is no way to tell which men who want to be in changing rooms when naked teenage girls are there because they 'feel like' women, and which are there because they feel like looking at naked ones?

Seriously - if there were, I would be far less concerned, but self-id means that anyone can choose to go to a ladies swimming session and 'get off' on the reaction of the women and children who can clearly see that there is a man in the room. Or insist on being incarcerated with a woman in a locked cell night after night. Or all the other examples that are given over and over. If someone is so sure that he is 'in the wrong body', then making some sort of commitment to that, in the form of medication or surgery is likely to put a lot more minds at rest, then of course you are never going to understand the concerns of people who want to put the needs of women above the wants of a small number of men.

I wondered what TWTWTW meant.

Meant to add, it was a quirky joke!

Callistemon Don’t give up the day job.q

If you don't understand that forcing anyone to have medical examinations in order to live as they choose is unacceptable in a civilised society then of course you won't appreciate or understand the demedicalisation of trans issue.
Which was why I posted about past medical interventions for gay people. No one would do that now. But they did and homosexuality was considered to be a medical problem. Now it isn't.
But people changing or shifting gender still is.
Let's hope in ten years time that will have changed.

Streets of London loved that song.

Oreo

Callistemon21

Oreo

Doodledog

Everyone is taking in code

I can’t keep up with the half of it, but my offering of the day is
TWTWTW
I used to like Millicent’s hair.

Yesterday's paper telling yesterday's news.

Was that a line used in That Was The Week That Was ?
Don’t remember that.

No, it's a Ralph McTell song.

That Was the Week That Was (the previous week's news)

It was rather an obscure joke, sorry!

Callistemon21

Oreo

Doodledog

Everyone is taking in code

I can’t keep up with the half of it, but my offering of the day is
TWTWTW
I used to like Millicent’s hair.

Yesterday's paper telling yesterday's news.

Was that a line used in That Was The Week That Was ?
Don’t remember that.

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Just FYI

I bought a Kevin the Carrot for my GD today. I’m pleased that his kilt shows that he also supports the wearing of the suffragette colours.

You may as well say that poppies are political, or awareness ribbons.

Unacceptable and a security risk FarNorth.

The Green, White and Violet colours represent women standing up for their rights, as they did when campaigning for the Vote.
That could be seen as undesirable because of being political but so could the LGB(TQ?) rainbow colours and the pink, blue and white trans colours.
Both of the latter are frequently to be seen adorning MSPs and other parliament staff so why should women's rights colours be thought by anyone to be unacceptable?

I agree Doodledog and I thought we were long past female solidarity being viewed as any kind of a risk.

I think that using the suffrage colours to signify female solidarity makes sense, though. Using them as an 'agender' flag is a massive leap, as AFAIK there is no obvious link between women's suffrage and agender identity.

Exactly Lathyrus. Which rules did he interpret wrongly? What was the exact wording of those rules and why on earth, were women only wearing a scarf in particular colours deemed to be a security risk unless those scarves were removed?

And it will be 'End Of' when people stop taking about it, which will not be before some sort of conclusion has been reached. An enquiry, an explanation, a detailed explanation of the policy - something like that.

What I find more worrying is the appropriation of symbols by political and pressure groups.

Rainbows? They belong to all of us or none of us. They are univeral and intangible.
The suffragette purple, green and white? Women's suffrage.

Please could they choose something unique to their group?

GrauntyHelen

It was over zealous and wrong interpretation of rules by security The Presiding Officer apologised on behalf of the Parliament in the chamber End of

No I don’t think it is.

I keep saying it. He believed he was acting in accordance with the ethos and guidance he had been given.

It’s so unfair to blame him and make him into a jobsworth just to get those higher up off the hook.

He believed he was doing what was required of him. The big question that they want to deflect from is why did he believe that.