Scarf in Suffragette colours not allowed in Scottish Parliament.

What is concerning to me about the Conservatives being seen as the party which is on the side of women is that it will mean they get more votes.
I don't see where the pay gap fits in here.

Lathyrus

Glorianny

Doodledog

The thing is, if none of us can see what's supposed to be happening, it might just be that you are wrong?

Lets put it like this Doodledog have I ever said you are misogynistic? or you don't care about women? or that you wish harm to women?
Because that is often said to me. With of course no evidence whatsoever.
As I said you'd believe I was assaulted by a man but not what is in plain evidence on this thread and others.

Well, actually the accuser don’t seem to be able to come up with one bit of evidence.

If you can't be bothered to look for yourself and don't accept someones's belief aren't you a bit like those men who claim it wasn't rape because I thought she really wanted me to?
The evidence is there you choose not to see it.

I don’t think I’ll bother discussing something from nearly ten years ago.

It would be a distraction.

Lathyrus

Glorianny

Ilovecheese

There is an article in The Observer today by Sonia Sodha talking about the GRC debate in Scotland. She broadly agrees with the UN person about just being a bit more cautious.
What she also says though, which I find concerning, is that the Conservative party could well come to be seen as the defender of women. This really should not be a Left vs Right issue, but it seems to have become one.

If it's defending women to create an increasing gender pay gap. which effectively means that since Nov 20th to the end of the year women are working for free then let's all follow the Tories
www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/09/gender-pay-gap-women-working-free-until-end-of-year
For most women a transwoman working alongside her has less impact than her pay and working conditions.

Employ distraction technique to avoid responsibility for posts (sigh)

Not distracting. If you want to ignore it you can. I have the ability to discuss women's issues from many angles, no one is making you join in.

Glorianny

Doodledog

The thing is, if none of us can see what's supposed to be happening, it might just be that you are wrong?

Lets put it like this Doodledog have I ever said you are misogynistic? or you don't care about women? or that you wish harm to women?
Because that is often said to me. With of course no evidence whatsoever.
As I said you'd believe I was assaulted by a man but not what is in plain evidence on this thread and others.

Well, actually the accuser don’t seem to be able to come up with one bit of evidence.

Erm, Glorianny, you have quoted an article from 2015😂. Is this another of the What you are concerned about is unimportant. The real problem is one that concerns me! things? It even has a red warning at the top, pointing out that it is over 7 years old, so it's unlikely that this was a mistake.

This one is more likely to be the one ilc was pointing us towards, as it is in this week's Observer and is about the GRC debate in Scotland 🙄:
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/27/nicola-sturgeon-will-endanger-women-if-she-opens-single-sex-spaces-almost-everone

Doodledog

The thing is, if none of us can see what's supposed to be happening, it might just be that you are wrong?

Lets put it like this Doodledog have I ever said you are misogynistic? or you don't care about women? or that you wish harm to women?
Because that is often said to me. With of course no evidence whatsoever.
As I said you'd believe I was assaulted by a man but not what is in plain evidence on this thread and others.

Glorianny

Ilovecheese

There is an article in The Observer today by Sonia Sodha talking about the GRC debate in Scotland. She broadly agrees with the UN person about just being a bit more cautious.
What she also says though, which I find concerning, is that the Conservative party could well come to be seen as the defender of women. This really should not be a Left vs Right issue, but it seems to have become one.

If it's defending women to create an increasing gender pay gap. which effectively means that since Nov 20th to the end of the year women are working for free then let's all follow the Tories
www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/09/gender-pay-gap-women-working-free-until-end-of-year
For most women a transwoman working alongside her has less impact than her pay and working conditions.

Employ distraction technique to avoid responsibility for posts (sigh)

Glorianny

Lathyrus

So report the conspiracy
Report the vile behaviour
Report the hounding
Report the easily verifiable dual posters

These are all reportable if they are true.

Lathyrus sorry but I never report. I believe in free speech. It's one of my principles. No matter what names I am called no matter how I am misrepresented I don't report. The abuse stands for itself. If you accept those opinions of me that's up to you. If you can't see what's happening that again is your responsibility.

Never report.

Just throw accusations of reportable behaviour about and never have to justify them.

Ilovecheese

There is an article in The Observer today by Sonia Sodha talking about the GRC debate in Scotland. She broadly agrees with the UN person about just being a bit more cautious.
What she also says though, which I find concerning, is that the Conservative party could well come to be seen as the defender of women. This really should not be a Left vs Right issue, but it seems to have become one.

If it's defending women to create an increasing gender pay gap. which effectively means that since Nov 20th to the end of the year women are working for free then let's all follow the Tories
www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/09/gender-pay-gap-women-working-free-until-end-of-year
For most women a transwoman working alongside her has less impact than her pay and working conditions.

Glorianny
The abuse stands for itself.
Yes it does, every time you do it and
Perhaps you’ve got a point.
The abuse by VS in her ‘Vile’ and ‘conspiracy theory’ is still there, so it seems you aren’t the only one who believes it better to leave the evidence in place.

If you can't see what's happening, that again is your responsibility.

I know I am not vile and I know I'm not a bully

The thing is, if none of us can see what's supposed to be happening, it might just be that you are wrong?

Lathyrus

So report the conspiracy
Report the vile behaviour
Report the hounding
Report the easily verifiable dual posters

These are all reportable if they are true.

Lathyrus sorry but I never report. I believe in free speech. It's one of my principles. No matter what names I am called no matter how I am misrepresented I don't report. The abuse stands for itself. If you accept those opinions of me that's up to you. If you can't see what's happening that again is your responsibility.

There is an article in The Observer today by Sonia Sodha talking about the GRC debate in Scotland. She broadly agrees with the UN person about just being a bit more cautious.
What she also says though, which I find concerning, is that the Conservative party could well come to be seen as the defender of women. This really should not be a Left vs Right issue, but it seems to have become one.

Can I add - putting lol at the end of a critical/negative comment doesn’t make it funny, it’s passive aggressive

Yes. As is using 'some posters' to say something that is clearly a personal comment but pretends to be an observation.

It would need that advantage to be proven Mollygo if you read the research quoted in the Guardian article levels of advantage differ and change with hormone treatment.

If there are ever any 'levels of advantage', that should be reason enough to ban transwomen from competing against women.

Do you think that standing one's ground equates to closed-mindedness?

I would very much like to see examples of people being 'followed' from thread to thread. I know for certain that I have agreed with you (and others with your views on trans issues) on other threads, and I am sure the same is true of others. If we don't agree about things that come up on other threads, that is not because of anything other than the fact that people don't always agree about everything. It seems to me very self-obsessed to think that people are following you (generic) around simply to disagree for the sake of it.

Lathyrus

So report the conspiracy
Report the vile behaviour
Report the hounding
Report the easily verifiable dual posters

These are all reportable if they are true.

I’m catching up with various threads and find myself agreeing with Lathyrus and with Doodledog’s earlier post.

Disagreeing with someone on more than one thread isn’t ‘following’ someone. It’s simply disagreeing with them in more than one issue. It’s what happens, especially in news and politics.
At the risk of being controversial can I name tickingbird and urmstongran? I rarely, if ever, agree with either of these posters. They never (or vanishingly rarely) agree with me. That’s fine. It means we all express our views strongly and clearly, we disagree. It should/could lead to healthy debate.
Can I add - putting lol at the end of a critical/negative comment doesn’t make it funny, it’s passive aggressive,

So report the conspiracy
Report the vile behaviour
Report the hounding
Report the easily verifiable dual posters

These are all reportable if they are true.

It really shocks me that anyone who says they are a feminist would bully other women on any subject. VS

It really shocks me too.

I’ve never accused others of conspiracy theories or making vile comments, but you have-so that makes you the ‘feminist-albeit transectional’ who is doing the bullying.

And you still haven’t provided any evidence for your accusations.

Glorianny

I was just thinking if I had said a man followed me home and tried to touch me last night I'd be getting loads of sympathy but say something about posers on GN which is easily checkable and you must be delusional. Says something about posters on here doesn't it

It really shocks me that anyone who says they are a feminist would bully other women on any subject.

True I might think that the trans debate has become a bit conspiracy theory but that's my honest opinion on how absolutely awful these threads have become and the behaviour I have witnessed is what drives that thought.

Because its so opposed to my experience anywhere else amongst other women it is, just bonkers to me

Glorianny

FannyCornforth

Why would you come to the conclusion that you were being ‘followed’?
It’s a small site with about 50-100 prolific posters.
Of course we are on the same threads

Because when you post something people come onto the thread and disagree in exactly the same manner they do on this thread.
It isn't all posters but it's a significant number.

Whatever does this mean?

That people are posting under different names in order to ‘follow” someone?

I’m sure GN doesn’t allow that.

Why all these vague allegations?

If you think someone’s doing that report them. Get it stopped.

The same with the vague allegations of bullying etc

If there’s something in it report it.

I was just thinking if I had said a man followed me home and tried to touch me last night I'd be getting loads of sympathy but say something about posers on GN which is easily checkable and you must be delusional. Says something about posters on here doesn't it

Mollygo

^I do think there is a debate to be had about competitive sport but I don't think the occasional transwoman is a huge problem.^

You might think differently if it was your daughter/female relative/friend who had missed out on an award or a medal to an occasional transwoman .
Or you would probably say
“You’ll just have to swim, run, cycle faster than a male competition who has an unfair advantage, no matter how hard you train.”

It would need that advantage to be proven Mollygo if you read the research quoted in the Guardian article levels of advantage differ and change with hormone treatment.

Because when you post something people come onto the thread and disagree in exactly the same manner they do on this thread.
And yet another own goal!

I could pick out your posting manner whether in your current or previous name, whatever the subject.

Thank you Glorianny for making a post so clear.