How Do we pay for health and care?

For those above SPA, income from pensions could be exempted. People with private pensions paid NICs (but not tax) before the contributions were deducted. NICs are also calculated on gross income. However, as I've argued elsewhere, I think it's totally unfair that certain groups are effectively taxed at 2/3 of the rate of others. I think income and wealth rather than age should be the deciding factor. I agree with you DaisyAnne that a hypothecated healthcare tax (at a lower rate than NI) might work.

Isn't this putting the cart before the horse? Shouldn't we sort it out first.

It could be taken away from politics altogether and run on across party basis so it wasn't used to score points from one party to another.

kittylester

Isn't this putting the cart before the horse? Shouldn't we sort it out first.

It could be taken away from politics altogether and run on across party basis so it wasn't used to score points from one party to another.

I guess that's why Sunak has just appointed former Labour MP Patricia Hewitt as an advisor to the government on the NHS.

kittylester

Isn't this putting the cart before the horse? Shouldn't we sort it out first.

It could be taken away from politics altogether and run on across party basis so it wasn't used to score points from one party to another.

But it is a party political issue. Funding always is.

growstuff

For those above SPA, income from pensions could be exempted. People with private pensions paid NICs (but not tax) before the contributions were deducted. NICs are also calculated on gross income. However, as I've argued elsewhere, I think it's totally unfair that certain groups are effectively taxed at 2/3 of the rate of others. I think income and wealth rather than age should be the deciding factor. I agree with you DaisyAnne that a hypothecated healthcare tax (at a lower rate than NI) might work.

It would a new insurance for everyone. Everyone would pay less elsewhere. Surely the same income should be reflected by the same tax. Why should a pension income of, say £100,000 be untaxed when it comes to Health and Care. The Personal Allowance would still be there.

I don't understand your 2/3 comment. Could you expand on it for me?

kittylester

Isn't this putting the cart before the horse? Shouldn't we sort it out first.

It could be taken away from politics altogether and run on across party basis so it wasn't used to score points from one party to another.

Sort what out Kitty?

What exactly constitutes income and wealth? Unless we know what and how these 2 things are defined, we can't decide if it's a viable proposal. There is also a very reasonable view that if people live self harming lives, why should others pick up the tab for their care? Why should people who 'fecklessly' live on handouts be supported by those who make sacrifices in their lives to be self- reliant? I have never seen even a glimmer of a credible response to these issues.

Ah, the feckless poor, as opposed to the feckless middle class, with their horses, and skiing, and their endless quaffing of alcohol.

What we need is more ideas like this.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63707689

Don't we just.

MerylStreep

What we need is more ideas like this.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63707689

I saw this on the news, sounds like a win win situation for both the public and the NHS

GrannyGravy13

MerylStreep

What we need is more ideas like this.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63707689

I saw this on the news, sounds like a win win situation for both the public and the NHS

It’s not right that people who are ill should have to rely on the NHS to foot their heating bills though, or that funding is taken from other essential patient activity to fund bills that people should be able to afford.