“Scottish government loses indyref2 court case”

Most of my Scottish friends want independence, I don't think it's any of my business

Nationalists
I need coffee.

Urmstongran

Genuine question.

I don’t remember anything much about Scotland wanting independence before they were given devolved powers by Blair.

Was it such a big thing back then?
Thank you to anyone who knows.

Well, I was thinking along those lines too and for Wales.

However, I do think the Scottish Independence movement has always been active (volver will know more) but not as much in the political mainstream as it has become since devolution.

As for Wales, many years ago the Welsh Nationlists were very active. The investiture of the Prince of Wales was one trigger. They were burning holiday homes, signposts were turned round, the Welsh language promoted.
Now, of course, the Welsh language takes precedence over English in official documents, medical documents, phone answering messages, etc and it is a compulsory language taught in schools up to GCSE level.

Some steps have been achieved.
However, personal opinion only, I do not think Wales would be economically viable as an independent country.

In the Telegraph this morning:

“NICOLA STURGEON’S former law professor has criticised her “simply nuts” plan to use the next general election as a de facto independence referendum as he lamented his ex-student’s “failure to grasp what democracy actually means”.

Alistair Bonnington said the First Minister’s attempt to restrict the election to the single issue of breaking up the UK does not “deserve a moment’s consideration” and “flies in the face of democratic elections”.

Mr Bonnington, who was one of her lecturers when she studied law at Glasgow University, also criticised her “extraordinary claim” that the Union between England and Scotland was no longer voluntary. Writing for the Scottish Legal News following this week’s Supreme Court ruling that Ms Sturgeon did not have the power to stage her own separation vote, he said she was complaining because “our law won’t allow her to keep holding referendums as regularly as she wants”.

Oh dear.
That’s a pretty damning comment from him.

Thank you very much for that post Aveline. We disagree when it comes to independence, but I think we respect each other, and are able to have discussions without descending into personal insults.

I should say that I like and respect Volver but disagree with her views on Scottish independence. It's the more blindly faithful SNP fans that irritate me.

Genuine question.

I don’t remember anything much about Scotland wanting independence before they were given devolved powers by Blair.

Was it such a big thing back then?
Thank you to anyone who knows.

And why are “her” views “biased” and those of eg Oma for Maya /Aveline etc not biased ?

Who's "her" Yammy?

Shall we guess?

Aveline

volver I do my own thinking thank you based on direct research. I am a true Scot in that I want the best for my country and my countrymen and not this pathetic independence obsessed shower who have had fifteen years to impress us but have abjectly failed.
I know you think that somehow, magically, a talented bunch of politicians will emerge post independence but there is absolutely no sign of any at all.

Well said Aveline. Someone needs to tell her from a balanced Scots point of view. Good for you.For some reason she thinks she can run rings round us all and just spouts her own biased views endlessly. If it were not for people like her maybe English people would be a lot more sympathetic. Her claymore and tongue are always sharpened.

happycatholicwife1

Not my circus, as you say. Cannot imagine why Wales, Scotland, or any wee part of Ireland would be happy to be ruled by their conqueror. I've always thought Scotland should be independent and deserves to be independent. Same with Wales. With all my heart, I wish it for Northern Ireland.

I wonder if that's how Indigenous Americans feel?

Well said, Aveline.

Pathetic independence obsessed shower.

You can't mean me, surely? Because it sure looks like it.

But no, you're right of course.

We best put our future in the hands of another country full of clever people who'll tell us what to do and make sure we don't waste our own money.

I've listed the clever Scottish politicians for you all before, so I won't bother again. You won't listen. 🤷🏼‍♀️

volver I do my own thinking thank you based on direct research. I am a true Scot in that I want the best for my country and my countrymen and not this pathetic independence obsessed shower who have had fifteen years to impress us but have abjectly failed.
I know you think that somehow, magically, a talented bunch of politicians will emerge post independence but there is absolutely no sign of any at all.

Septimia

Is it the UK you primarily want to be independent of or Westminster? A lot of English folk might quite like to be independent of Westminster too!

😁😁😁

Did you read that Aveline?

I find it really sad that there as so many Scots who seem to consider themselves "North Britons" and don't think much of their own country or countrymen.

I'd phrase it a bit differently to your question Septimia. Those who want an independent Scotland want a country that can make its own laws, stand on its own two feet, not have to depend on how much a different country decides to give it back of its own money as "pocket money", set its own direction in the world and not be constrained by what another country, or the inhabitants of that country, think they should be doing. Just be "independent" like any other country in the world. Is that independence from Westminster or from the Union? I don't know.

I think it's convenient for people to think "oh, they just want away from this Tory Government", because then it could be thought that if we "fix" the problems brought about by having a Tory government then we'll be placated. But we won't. Those who want independence, want an independent country, irrespective of the type of government that is installed in Westminster.

I'd like to point out as well in respect of an earlier post; England didn't conquer Scotland in this case. The Act of Union was entered into as two equal partners, and the majority of Scottish people at the time thought is was iniquitous. "Two equal partners". What a hoot.😕

It is indeed a circus in Scotland with Sturgeon as ring master and a whole lot of clowns trying to run the country and its services.
I'm sure there'll be a Labour government soon enough at Westminster so one less grievance for Sturgeon to use.

Is it the UK you primarily want to be independent of or Westminster? A lot of English folk might quite like to be independent of Westminster too!

Not my circus, as you say. Cannot imagine why Wales, Scotland, or any wee part of Ireland would be happy to be ruled by their conqueror. I've always thought Scotland should be independent and deserves to be independent. Same with Wales. With all my heart, I wish it for Northern Ireland.

Callistemon21

I'm glad.

It is interesting watching events develop which I can do nothing about and which may never affect me.

Yes it is interesting.

Bottom line, talking a as a Scottish female, who has talked to loads of people, back when I was still gainfully employed!, it's still a big no fot independence. Not everyone in Scotland votes SNP.

I'm glad.

It is interesting watching events develop which I can do nothing about and which may never affect me.

Callistemon21

Well, it's all very interesting.

😁

That's made me laugh 🙂

stewaris

Vover, actually you're incorrect. I am not against independence I'm just waiting for the fiscal report that says we can go it alone and be successful including giving our citizens a decent life. However, if you look at the debt the SNP has got us into it's highly unlikely we will be a rich, or even semi rich nation. We won't be part of the EU and, no matter what the SNP bleat on about, whisky will not sustain us and they have brought no major industry to Scotland to help. Let's hope the scales fall from your eyes, hen.

And the space industry? And gaming? And tourism? And renewables? And all the other stuff?

I won't be engaging any more with people who use the verb "bleating". It's not serious.

And as for me quine, whisky has been known to sustain me. But then I'm heilan'.