If Scotland is so wee,,poor and stupid ,why DO WM aka the ENGLISH parliament want so desperately to hold onto us

Oh come on CrumpetsForTea there must be someone somewhere who's interested. I was going to ask about the price of eggs incase anyone's interested. 😴

Terribull. I’m glad you don’t think I’m anti English, I appreciate you saying that. But lots of posters appear to. I take on board what you say about my posting style.

Historical grievances are not the issue for me. Some independence supporters express themselves more passionately than me but I don’t care that the English invaded in the 14th Century of any of that, any more than I care that the Vikings came and ransacked us in the 10th century, or whenever it was. I do smart a bit about how the English behaviour at the end of the 17th Century led the Scottish aristocracy to sign away our rights. Parcel o’ rogues who got hireling traitors wages. (I’m sure you recognise that Maw. I can quote Burns too.)

I think you are quite close to the truth Baggs, that for many people in England, Scotland isn’t perceived as a different country. Not everyone in England, I would say. And there are certainly some Scots who think that way.

But we are a separate country. We just are. We go about things differently. We have been pro-European for centuries (yes, centuries). We have a more left-oriented view of society than England seems to have. Less private schools, less private medicine. More fairness. All by choice.

This is going to be shaky ground and I hope no-one is offended by the comparison, but there are lots of people in Russia who don’t think Ukraine is a separate country, and definitely should be subsumed into Russia. How would you ask the Ukrainians to define the fact that they are a separate country? Or the Finns? Or the Estonians?

“O, wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion.”

Indeed.

MawtheMerrier

CrumpetsForTea

It's very sweet that you want to share the banal minutiae of your day volver but it's actually really rather boring. Why on earth would you feel the need to tell the world and his dog that you're tapping away at a screen in a supermarket car park? No please! Don't tell us!

That’s social media though isn’t it?
Sharing the banal trivia in a misguided attempt to appear as interesting to others as one is to oneself.

Like I said to the other poster a wee while ago.

Cheeky besom.

I lived in Scotland for a number of years and made many lovely friends, however, they used to tell us that they liked us and never thought of us being English!

If the Scottish people want independence let them have it I say but you can't keep having referendums until you get the result you want. If we could I am sure we would be having another referendum down here.

CrumpetsForTea

It's very sweet that you want to share the banal minutiae of your day volver but it's actually really rather boring. Why on earth would you feel the need to tell the world and his dog that you're tapping away at a screen in a supermarket car park? No please! Don't tell us!

That’s social media though isn’t it?
Sharing the banal trivia in a misguided attempt to appear as interesting to others as one is to oneself.

But a potential 'hard EU border' isn't Scotland's problem, is it? They didn't actually want to leave the EU. They were bounced into it because England has the greater population.

I think the EU will see it as a major problem along with other issues regarding Scotland going back into the EU fold. It would also take years before that would happen because these things don't happen overnight.

On a personal level I think it would be shame to break up the UK or GB but if that is what the Scots want, then let them vote for it.

Paddyann
I think you'll find that, as climate change progresses, you'll become VERY popular as masses of people will wish to move to Scotland... people down here on the South Coast already talking about it..

There is always room for debate MaizieD but you might want to read the IFS response to the Scottish paper published before the referendum at ifs.org.uk/news/immediate-response-scottish-governments-paper-independence-and-scottish-economy

I shall read the IFS paper, thank you, Grantanow. But I'll have to see the paper it's responding to as well. There may well be critiques of that, too

I can see my Sunday afternoon being immersed in Scottish economics...

As to the tax raising, if Scotland has its own sovereign currency it can sell its own bonds and issue its own money in anticipation of tax take. I can see there being interesting' wrangles over cost and revenue allocations between Scotland and rUK....

There is always room for debate MaizieD but you might want to read the IFS response to the Scottish paper published before the referendum at ifs.org.uk/news/immediate-response-scottish-governments-paper-independence-and-scottish-economy

Post-independence a Scottish gov't would likely have to raise taxes and cut spending. Joining the EU would be problematical because the other states would see Scotland as being in need of financial aid. Improving growth has a poor history throughout the UK and I can't see the SNP improving its domestic performance any time soon.

Sorry Casdon, I am getting mixed up then!

It's very sweet that you want to share the banal minutiae of your day volver but it's actually really rather boring. Why on earth would you feel the need to tell the world and his dog that you're tapping away at a screen in a supermarket car park? No please! Don't tell us!

JaneJudge

Wales didn't want to leave the EU either

Sadly Wales did vote to leave the EU JaneJudge, the leave vote was linked to areas of deprivation, and there are plenty of those in Wales.

One interesting thing I found out while thinking about the future of Scotland (from a non-Scottish or English perspective) is that genetically we’re all pretty much the same in the UK due to many centuries of invasions and integrations (although there’s a still few Celtic outposts -looking at you North Wales), so whatever one perspective on this accuses the other of, it’s not racist to say it. It’s probably a whole other topic though.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31905764

Kandinsky

Why does she keep telling us she’s going to Tesco?
Who cares?

Tescos probably cares. ( I'm in the car park. )

Ah, Baggs always the voice of reason. 😉

Wales didn't want to leave the EU either

P.S I know where the Antonine wall is. The emoji is a 'wink'

GrannyGravy13

I think the clue is in our collective name United Kingdom, JaneJudge I wouldn’t like to see it breaking up.

I worry about another hard border we already have one with NI and Eire imagine the problematic situation if an independent Scotland was to get its wish and join the EU, passport controls along Hadrians Wall?

If that is what Scotland votes for so be it.

Perhaps a border along the Antonine wall would be more appropriate

But a potential 'hard EU border' isn't Scotland's problem, is it? They didn't actually want to leave the EU. They were bounced into it because England has the greater population.

Perhaps the referendum results should have been weighted to reflect the populations of the component countries of the United Kingdom...

tickingbird

^I'm not keen on English people either and I am one^

Racist or what?

Terrible comment. I hope it's a case of foot and mouth and she just did not think before making that comment.

CrumpetsForTea

*I'm not keen on English people either and I am one*

Replace the word English with Pakistani, African or Chinese and see how racist your comment is VioletSky. You work with young children you say? You might need to moderate your thinking out loud as your prejudices are beginning to show.

Thank you CrumpetsForTea.
An excellent post which I hope/doubt will be read and understood by VS.

(I like your name too. I’ve got some in the cupboard, ready for today.)

CrumpetsForTea

*I'm not keen on English people either and I am one*

Replace the word English with Pakistani, African or Chinese and see how racist your comment is VioletSky. You work with young children you say? You might need to moderate your thinking out loud as your prejudices are beginning to show.

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Why does she keep telling us she’s going to Tesco?
Who cares?

GrannyGravy13

volver I know where Hadrians Wall is.

Perhaps that’s the difference between the Scot’s and the English we can laugh at ourselves and do not take ourselves overly seriously?

Like I said before. Billy Connolly.

And I'm very sure you know where Hadrian's Wall is, I wasn't implying you don't. Tesco's calls...

I'm not keen on English people either and I am one

Replace the word English with Pakistani, African or Chinese and see how racist your comment is VioletSky. You work with young children you say? You might need to moderate your thinking out loud as your prejudices are beginning to show.

volver I know where Hadrians Wall is.

Perhaps that’s the difference between the Scot’s and the English we can laugh at ourselves and do not take ourselves overly seriously?