Meghan Markle Faced 'Disgusting and Very Real' Threats in the U.K., Former Counterterrorism Head Says

What do you want posters to do Iam64 ?
It’s old news.
Of course she and Harry got threats from far right nutters.
No harm came to them here though.They didn’t leave the RF because of that but cos they wanted to live a different way .
They are no safer in the US, probably less so.

No surprise that information from a credible source is dismissed or minimised.

Callistemon21

^So they are living in a gated community in California, with no doubt armed security guards^

Presumably they venture out from time to time?

Nowhere is 100% safe. There are risks in both countries and the higher the profile, the greater the risk.

Glorianny

So they are living in a gated community in California, with no doubt armed security guards. California has one of the lowest levels of gun related deaths in the US and has legislation that makes it illegal to photograph the children of celebrities while they are under 16. So now which is the safer place?

Still safer here😂
California is still awash with guns compared to the UK.

So they are living in a gated community in California, with no doubt armed security guards

Presumably they venture out from time to time?

As you say Callistemon, not being working members of the RF may well have been viewed as a way of lessening the risk by reducing their profile. However, they've countered that with everything they've done and said since.

I know there were a couple of people in a far right group who were jailed here for their part in plotting online violence towards Harry for marrying a non white woman.They lived in the UK but had eastern European names.There were bound to be other threats, online and hate mail as well, since everybody who is a celeb or a royal bets them.
Yeah, moving to the US wasn’t the safer option!

And...we're back on track for a M&H Thread

They've moved to Montecino(?), not Mogadishu.

So they are living in a gated community in California, with no doubt armed security guards. California has one of the lowest levels of gun related deaths in the US and has legislation that makes it illegal to photograph the children of celebrities while they are under 16. So now which is the safer place?

halfpint1

And America is a less violent country,
Let me think

Perhaps they thought that not being working members of the Royal Family would lessen the risk.

However, I do agree that America is not perhaps the safest country to choose, nor is maintaining such high public profiles.
But perhaps the advice they were given differed from my opinion!

And what about the ones that weren't?

I presume they’re still alive or died of natural causes just like the many celebrities in the U.K. who pay for their own security if they feel they need it.

If the RF didn’t have the best security available why is Harry suing the Home Office and why is Andrew throwing his toys out the pram because they’ve been denied it?

I'm not surprised; there are some very sinister extremist groups out there and the internet enables them to spread their messages.

I don't agree that death threats justified the unsubstantiated claims made against members of the RF, named and not named; the lies that were told and the attempted public trashing and back stabbing of Harry's family, by them both.

There is no justification for that as far as I'm concerned.

Sparklefizz

Haha volver . Now your usual rudeness and sneering have started to shut down any debate, I'm out.

Matched, or even surpassed, by the rudeness of other posters...

What about other high profile Americans who have been gunned down or stabbed?

And what about the ones that weren't?

Sparklefizz

Haha volver . Now your usual rudeness and sneering have started to shut down any debate, I'm out.

Debate. 🤣

OK.

Sorry, was that rude? There's no debate, is there? Some people will never accept any justification for the way M&H acted, even if the justification is that someone threatened to kill them. The response is often that they should have been more like the Queen.

Well they weren't. We'll all have to live with it.

Whereas I am definitely not trying to play down the truth that nasty and obvious threats were made, recently I have noticed there have been a number of court cases regarding stalking, threatening behaviour and even death threats. All of which must have been truly frightening for the victims involved.

I do not doubt the concern of the Duke of Sussex for the safety of his wife and family, any caring husband would react similarly. Fortunately, he was in a position to employ his own security staff, the problem was who should be paying for it as they are no longer working members of the Royal family and, as I understood it, private companies would not be allowed to use fire arms if they became necessary. Regrettably others have not been in a financial position to to employ 24 hour security staff and could only expect limited help from the police even though they have lived in this country and paid taxes.

Just as aside, it would be interesting to know how many threats are sent to members of the Royal family that are not made public.

moving to a country where you can go out in public to lead the normal life of a wealthy person

John Lennon moved to the USA because he thought it was safer. 🤔

What about other high profile Americans who have been gunned down or stabbed?

Can’t see why it’s nasty to say it is best she stays away. It is. She has a young family, why would she take that risk ? Don’t read things and assume please.

Haha volver . Now your usual rudeness and sneering have started to shut down any debate, I'm out.

I agree Normandygirl, nothing substantive to discuss. It's appalling that anyone would have death threats against them and surprising to me, that this was never mentioned at the time they made their decision to leave the UK.

And America is a less violent country,
Let me think

That is such a ridiculous comment, sorry to say so but it is.

Which is likely to be safest:

1) staying in a country where people have made actual real threats towards you because you are perceived as an affront to their sensibilities, and they can pick you out and target you whenever you appear in public. A country where even senior security people think you were at imminent risk. Or

2) moving to a country where you can go out in public to lead the normal life of a wealthy person, and people with an agenda don't hate you because they think you are an interloper who has insulted the Queen and made her life a misery.

Let's think...

Impossible to comment on a statement that has no context around it. Were the treats greater than those aimed at other royals or less? Were the threats themselves significantly more serious or sinister than those received by others in the public eye? Without that context there is nothing to discuss.

Glorianny

As always on these threads you can really appreciate why they felt leaving the UK was their only option. The idea that it was OK that she faced real threats and she should just have put up with it is appalling.

No one has said they should have to put up with threats, but leaving the UK to move to the US where the population are legally heavily armed and school children have to learn "shooter drills" doesn't seem the safest option.