Buckingham Palace Aide resigns

volver

The inter-web?

And you think that's acceptable when discussing the lives and attitudes of older people? Seems it's not only racist behaviour some people practice without appreciating how judgemental and offensive they are.

Your turn now to tell me what an awful person I am.

It's a joke volver. I know you don't have a sense of humour but sometimes a little lighter approach is where I want to be, and I really don't care what you think. It's a very long time since I have.

Callistemon21

GagaJo

Callistemon21

GagaJo

Whereas, the posh, very privileged and spoiled woman was just misunderstood?

This is the equivalent to rape apologists.

B*ll*x!!

Several GN members are excusing racism. Swear about it all you like.

If you excuse discrimination, you are complicit.

If you excuse discrimination, you are complicit.

No love, that's another offensive post.
I don't excuse discrimination, I don't discriminate, I am not complicit.

Please stop bringing rape into this, that is what is truly offensive.

As opposed to the discrimination and bigotry towards of a whole ethnic group of people, leading to centuries of slavery and ongoing hatred, injustice and downright violence?

Have we forgotten that this isn't just a petty row about just an overpriviledged, ignorant woman? It's a whole system specifically designed to keep people of colour 'in their place'.

Violence and death at the hands of the police and the courts. Lack of prosecution.

I'm a woman. Of course rape is a horrific crime. But so is racism. And if you don't take it seriously and call it out when you see it, yes, you're complicit, in the same way men are complicit when they don't call out their friends for making rape 'jokes'.

Language matters profoundly. It shapes our thought processes. It shapes the way we conceive the world, it shapes the way we see each other. It shapes the way we grow up, our attitudes to others. It is ever changing.

Lisa Nandy has described herself as "mixed heritage" in order to describe how her Indian Father and a White UK mother has shaped her view and her experience of the world.

I think it is respectful to listen to how different people describe themselves and follow that lead. We are a society which for centuries has been dominated by a white male view of the world, perhaps re-inforced by the past of being an empire. for centuries, women, people of different races have been "other" to this norm.

We are in a process of change, and it is good that we are, because it promotes true understanding between people who have very different origins. so our language evolves with it.

It is an uncomfortable process. It is contested, and there will be disagreements.

If you take the trouble to read books like Layla Saad's "Me and White Supremacy: Combat Racism, Change the World, and Become a Good Ancestor" you have an opportunity to

"challenges you to do the essential work of unpacking your biases, and helps white people take action and dismantle the privilege within themselves so that you can stop (often unconsciously) inflicting damage on people of color, and in turn, help other white people do better, too."

we read this as part of a Quaker study group when the black Lives Matter movement arose, believing that we have to start with out own part-conscious though processes and language. None of us are totally free of this, we are a work in process, on a journey.

I realised for example at my gym, which is very multi-cultural, I was not being able to recall which man of Afro-Caribbean origin I had had a laugh and joke with because my memory is mainly trained to recall the details of white faces. Voice, a different matter; the lilts of West African English being different from a black man who was brought up in Brum or locally, or someone of Somalian origin whose first language was of course a French dialect.

So rather than be defensive, "I'm not racist", believe, you might be, the people you meet might be, and take on the broadening of horizons and challenge - with kindness and understanding - but don't let it pass.

Not passing comment is one thing. Defending or playing down racism is another.

GagaJo

Callistemon21

GagaJo

Callistemon21

GagaJo

Whereas, the posh, very privileged and spoiled woman was just misunderstood?

This is the equivalent to rape apologists.

B*ll*x!!

Several GN members are excusing racism. Swear about it all you like.

If you excuse discrimination, you are complicit.

If you excuse discrimination, you are complicit.

No love, that's another offensive post.
I don't excuse discrimination, I don't discriminate, I am not complicit.

Please stop bringing rape into this, that is what is truly offensive.

As opposed to the discrimination and bigotry towards of a whole ethnic group of people, leading to centuries of slavery and ongoing hatred, injustice and downright violence?

Have we forgotten that this isn't just a petty row about just an overpriviledged, ignorant woman? It's a whole system specifically designed to keep people of colour 'in their place'.

Violence and death at the hands of the police and the courts. Lack of prosecution.

I'm a woman. Of course rape is a horrific crime. But so is racism. And if you don't take it seriously and call it out when you see it, yes, you're complicit, in the same way men are complicit when they don't call out their friends for making rape 'jokes'.

I agree with you Gagajo.

Of course 🙂

DaisyAnne

volver

The inter-web?

And you think that's acceptable when discussing the lives and attitudes of older people? Seems it's not only racist behaviour some people practice without appreciating how judgemental and offensive they are.

Your turn now to tell me what an awful person I am.

It's a joke volver. I know you don't have a sense of humour but sometimes a little lighter approach is where I want to be, and I really don't care what you think. It's a very long time since I have.

Do you want me to pass you a tissue volver? I'm sure that comment has upset you greatly.

Language does evolve. I was corrected 12 years ago after describing a 13 year old as mixed race. I was told to use dual heritage

I have a new minded child (7y) as of two weeks ago.
Her mother told me her daughter is "mixed" when we first talked on the phone, before we met, so I'd go with that now.

And if you don't take it seriously and call it out when you see it, yes, you're complicit

But I wasn't there.
I didn't hear it so couldn't call it out. So not complicit.
And I only have one person's account of the exchange.

Why should I be judge and jury without hearing all the evidence?
Previous offences are not usually revealed.

I've already said, if that is what was said, it was wrong.

growstuff

DaisyAnne

volver

The inter-web?

And you think that's acceptable when discussing the lives and attitudes of older people? Seems it's not only racist behaviour some people practice without appreciating how judgemental and offensive they are.

Your turn now to tell me what an awful person I am.

It's a joke volver. I know you don't have a sense of humour but sometimes a little lighter approach is where I want to be, and I really don't care what you think. It's a very long time since I have.

Do you want me to pass you a tissue volver? I'm sure that comment has upset you greatly.

Thank you growstuff. I'm bearing up. 😭

GagaJo

Callistemon21

GagaJo

Callistemon21

GagaJo

Whereas, the posh, very privileged and spoiled woman was just misunderstood?

This is the equivalent to rape apologists.

B*ll*x!!

Several GN members are excusing racism. Swear about it all you like.

If you excuse discrimination, you are complicit.

If you excuse discrimination, you are complicit.

No love, that's another offensive post.
I don't excuse discrimination, I don't discriminate, I am not complicit.

Please stop bringing rape into this, that is what is truly offensive.

As opposed to the discrimination and bigotry towards of a whole ethnic group of people, leading to centuries of slavery and ongoing hatred, injustice and downright violence?

Have we forgotten that this isn't just a petty row about just an overpriviledged, ignorant woman? It's a whole system specifically designed to keep people of colour 'in their place'.

Violence and death at the hands of the police and the courts. Lack of prosecution.

I'm a woman. Of course rape is a horrific crime. But so is racism. And if you don't take it seriously and call it out when you see it, yes, you're complicit, in the same way men are complicit when they don't call out their friends for making rape 'jokes'.

Why do you assume this is uppermost in other people's minds? It isn't.

Some are worrying about staying warm, some about their jobs, some about other members of the family, they have so many other immediate issues in their lives.

That doesn't mean they don't care but they don't care in the way you insist they must. The fact is you come over like some sort of rabid preacher, condemning others who do not fit your template for goodness. You are simply too extreme to take people with you. They have lives to lead.

Worry about it by all means but do stop dictating to others about what they should believe. There are enough potential dictators in this country without having to deal with them on GN.

Thanks for the sermon DaisyAnne.

I thought you didn't like preachers.

GagaJo

William and Katherine are getting booed in the US. Shades of their Caribbean tour spring to mind.

Despite the dislike in the UK of Meghan and Harry, other parts of the world have different viewpoints about our royal family. And they're not always positive.

And people wonder why MM & H moved to the US? They aren't reviled there.

Its now known that a lot of those pictures taken during the Carribean tour were purposely staged and cropped.
The ones where they were shaking hands of the children is a perfect example of how an innocent shot can be made to look sinister.
The children happened to be behind a wire fence, but it was shot at such an angle as to make them appear 'caged'. In other words, look at us, suppressed by the BAD 'colonials'.
The tragic thing is, people believe these staged photos instead of engaging their intelligence to work out that a lot of media is doctored so as to lead us to think one way or another.

The picture of Kate in the Netflix trailer is a perfect example.
The photo is probably completely out of context and is done so as to present her in a bad light.
And the sheeple will unfortunately fall for it.

other parts of the world have different viewpoints about our royal family. And they're not always positive.

Yeah right.
That must be why nearly every news channel in the world disrupted their regular channels to provide 24hr coverage of the queen's passing, not to mention more or less rolling coverage of the Queen's funeral.
Yep, those pesky Forinars hate the Royals

Heard Ms Fulani interviewed on Radio 4, she's more than capable of sticking up for her self, she wouldn't have the role she has if not, all she had to do was assert herself, which she is capable of. Did I see she was wearing a wire? Perhaps that was misinformation but that was put on here. I have never worn a wire anywhere. Why would anyone do that. Is she ashamed of her heritage? If it were me I would be proud of my line. I think this is turning very nasty about an elderly lady who has resigned and apologised for not saying the right thing. Do these people want this elderly lady sent to the tower? Is it a crime to be rich, it discrimination. . Goodness me look at real victims. I think this old lady is being judged and treated unfairly.
There are a proportion of people on this forum who take every opportunity to knock the Royal Family. We are fast becoming a country too scared to say or do the smallest thing in case someone takes offence. Last word on the subject answer what you will, at the moment it's a free country but if it's left to a lot of people it won't be.

Yawn yawn yawn!

If the old lady is past being able to hold a polite conversation, it's just as well she's retired.

There is no evidence that she was wearing a wire - just a nasty smear by apologists for racism.

Ms Fulani is British - why would anybody want to know any more?

so Ms Fulani is British - why would anybody want to know any more?.
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the fact that she was wearing full african 'dress and said '

“When I’m going to certain places, I’m very proud of my culture and my background, so I will wear something authentic. I think maybe I stood out somehow,” Ms Fulani added.

was what bought the questions from lady hussey
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No lemsip she wasn't wearing fill African dress!!! Have you ever seen what full African dress looks like?

Where did you pick up what prompted the questions from Lady Hussey?

Fulani was born in UK is a Rastafarian, although I have no idea what traditional dress is, she has adopted African name and identity.
A sad episode.

I've decided just to laugh at the contents of this thread now.

No point in trying to use reason.

If you wonder down any of our cities high streets, you will see a myriad of sartorial styles.

People are free to dress exactly as they wish, which does not mean that their nationality is anything but British.

The more you think about it the dafter it is.

What constitutes “British” dress?

Why are people victim blaming ? Her fault for having an African name, African inspired outfit, braided hair, black skin. If the Lady H was intrigued by her outfit , which she has every right to wear, she only had to ask about it, she didn’t ask about the outfit, it was constant badgering about her nationality and where are you really from type questions. She wouldn’t accept that the lady was British. Many of us are British with a wide range of ancestry, we can be proud of that ancestry but still be British. About time people like Lady H accepted that fact. The black lady said she did not want the older lady to be sacked, she would like more awareness of such issues amongst those who represent Buckingham Palace.

I hate “modern” Britain! We will have compulsory lessons before long on what is ok to say and NOT ok to say…. say the wrong thing. and you will more than likely lose your job!

Bloody Ridiculous!

Poppyred

I hate “modern” Britain! We will have compulsory lessons before long on what is ok to say and NOT ok to say…. say the wrong thing. and you will more than likely lose your job!

Bloody Ridiculous!

It's your post which is ridiculous.

There's nothing wrong with being polite and tactful and expecting people close to the royal family to be polite and tactful too.