Buckingham Palace Aide resigns

I think people should stop talking to anyone of a different race, then the problem wouldn't arise. There would be no bullying, no misunderstandings, and some grans here would have nothing to complain about!

GagaJo
Let's make it even clearer. White people are already very wary of engaging with people of colour because of cries of racism. It can end up in a life or death situation.

I know tickingbird. But when I start replying in kind, I find typing a longer post grounds me again.

To be honest I don't think many people will read anything that is more than a paragraph (thank you for doing so) or that doesn't attack the Royals. After all that is really what this thread is about, isn't it But you have given me the chance to repeat this little bit:

As far as I can see, there are two problems:

1) There is racism in the UK
2) We are in a process of change

It's the process of change and how we carry people with us that is something we need to manage, or we will just have another culture war. Sadly, of course, that is what some people want.

Susan Hussey was incredibly rude, and didn't "sense the tone" when Ngozi Fulani clearly didn't want to be drawn on her background. Susan Hussey should have moved on, either to another subject, or to another person.

I have seen this posted on a friend's Facebook page, and whilst I do not know if it is correct, (presumably if anyone wanted to, they could verify the statements made in relation to the charity) it may go some way to explaining Ngozi Fulani's reluctance to be questioned on her background.

Daisy Anne you may be the voice of reason and equanimity but you can’t reason with those that steadfastly refuse to listen.

There are those on here that would have you burned at the stake if they could.

We don’t know, which is the whole point.
In the absence of not knowing, the suggestion of a name badge and the organisation is still a good idea.It happens at some meetings I’ve been too but not at others.

Oreo

DaisyAnne

MaizieD

Oreo

What 25Avalon said was why not a name tag with your name and that of the organisation that you represent.
Instead of just a name tag.
Of course if you then choose to cover it up with a long hair do so that it can’t be read at all, then it wouldn’t help matters.

Jesus wept...

The contortions being used to channel this hate narrative are unbelievable.

And by the post, you have achieved what, Maizie?

Achieved zero.
I was explaining what 25Avalon had said as * MaizieD* seemed to not understand it.
A name badge with name and organisation on rather than just a name badge.May have helped, may not in that case, but still a good idea.
What contortions and hate have to do with it are anyone’s guess.

Who said that it was a name badge with just a name on it?
What proof do we have that his is a 'fact', which is what it seems to be presented as?

At one point people were saying that she was using someone else's name badge and she was there under false pretences.

If these aren't contortions I don't know what is.

Madgran77

*Of course if you then choose to cover it up with a long hair do so that it can’t be read at all, then it wouldn’t help matters*

Was it a choice or accidental? Anyone with longer hair might have that problem and make that error. Easy enough to rectify when and if realised, by someone saying that one's hair is covering one's name badge!!

Who knows?

DaisyAnne

MaizieD

Oreo

What 25Avalon said was why not a name tag with your name and that of the organisation that you represent.
Instead of just a name tag.
Of course if you then choose to cover it up with a long hair do so that it can’t be read at all, then it wouldn’t help matters.

Jesus wept...

The contortions being used to channel this hate narrative are unbelievable.

And by the post, you have achieved what, Maizie?

Achieved zero.
I was explaining what 25Avalon had said as * MaizieD* seemed to not understand it.
A name badge with name and organisation on rather than just a name badge.May have helped, may not in that case, but still a good idea.
What contortions and hate have to do with it are anyone’s guess.

Of course if you then choose to cover it up with a long hair do so that it can’t be read at all, then it wouldn’t help matters

Was it a choice or accidental? Anyone with longer hair might have that problem and make that error. Easy enough to rectify when and if realised, by someone saying that one's hair is covering one's name badge!!

FannyCornforth

I think I’ll depart from this thread.
I see it’s not exactly conversational.
I’m interested in what happened and what people think of what happened, but I can’t be doing with posters attacking each other.

I would tend to agree but it is a pity if reasoned discussion of what happened is lost!

Oreo

You are feeling bullied now?
You have to learn that people don’t always agree with you, makes life easier and more pleasant.

I rarely feel bullied. Probably never. I'm bit like Hermoine I suppose. There may be people all around who think they are getting one over on me, but I'm the Brightest Witch of my Age.

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25Avalon

Why not a name tag with your name and that of the organisation you represent? This happens at a lot of functions I’ve been to. The palace advisers could then have done a bit of homework as to who was who and greeted them accordingly.

Lady Hussey reached across and moved Ms Fulanis hair that was covering her name badge!!!! Reasonably, one would expect someone to say "Oh I'm sorry I can't see your name badge, which organisation are you representing?" in this context. I just can't imagine ever moving someone's hair out of my way to look at something they are wearing on their chest, least if all someone I have never met!

I don't think Lady Hussey meant offence, within her experience and life she is a kind, thoughtful person who gives generously of her time. But this particular episode highlights a clash between experience, culture, "historical class differences", understanding at a wider level than "meeting and greeting" and it needs addressing for the future so that people never
find themselves in this position again..ie whether they are a "Lady Hussey" or a "Ngozi Fulani" in role, experience, background, etc.

the that

MaizieD

Oreo

What 25Avalon said was why not a name tag with your name and that of the organisation that you represent.
Instead of just a name tag.
Of course if you then choose to cover it up with a long hair do so that it can’t be read at all, then it wouldn’t help matters.

Jesus wept...

The contortions being used to channel this hate narrative are unbelievable.

And by the post, you have achieved what, Maizie?

Oreo

What 25Avalon said was why not a name tag with your name and that of the organisation that you represent.
Instead of just a name tag.
Of course if you then choose to cover it up with a long hair do so that it can’t be read at all, then it wouldn’t help matters.

Jesus wept...

The contortions being used to channel this hate narrative are unbelievable.

There is no point in discussing with a few on GN. They have only one very narrow point of view. They pick up the jargon from the single-issue warriors and think they know everything. Then they go to war. The reminders of Brexit are everywhere. Look how that has turned out. There are people in this country who will never forgive others for how that change happened and the way they felt they were treated.

As far as I can see, there are two problems:

1) There is racism in the UK
2) We are in a process of change

The first principle of change is to understand what you are changing. I see no understanding from those who want change to fit homemade truths and the truths sold to them by the single-issue warriors.

Who is bothering to get out of their silo and tell us how the change would affect everyone? They aren't on GN, are they? It has to be a real "good" that everyone can understand is good for all. Who is explaining why it will be good for society? All we are getting is why people should be pilloried for not meeting one of the jargon phrases.

Who is listing the positive impact on everyone? It doesn't feel as if the change is positive for all. It could. It isn't for many who try to explain their point of view here. They are subjected to nasty, vicious posts. What's in it for them? If you don't find out and explain, the warriors will not take them with them. The country will split yet again.

People fear how the change will affect their lifestyle. There are very few intrinsically bad people. Most want to do good where they can. But who is explaining why their change will improve the lives of all? Their way of addressing those they want to persuade is not credible. There is no persuasion, no explaining, just bullying.

With a government containing many who don't believe they should be managing anything, to people on here who only care about their very narrow view, I'm afraid we are going down the same road we have already travelled with the same outcome in view.

You are feeling bullied now?
You have to learn that people don’t always agree with you, makes life easier and more pleasant.

What 25Avalon said was why not a name tag with your name and that of the organisation that you represent.
Instead of just a name tag.
Of course if you then choose to cover it up with a long hair do so that it can’t be read at all, then it wouldn’t help matters.

Not really, prefer His Dark Materials.

Just that Malfoy and his gang of obsequious bullies popped into my mind for some reason.

I think I’ll depart from this thread.
I see it’s not exactly conversational.
I’m interested in what happened and what people think of what happened, but I can’t be doing with posters attacking each other.

So you’re a fan of Harry Potter films volver 😄that’s nice for you. Tho it’s for kids really and has nothing to do with the Lady Hussey and Mrs Fulani incident.

25Avalon

Why not a name tag with your name and that of the organisation you represent? This happens at a lot of functions I’ve been to. The palace advisers could then have done a bit of homework as to who was who and greeted them accordingly.

Perhaps you should do your homework, 25Avalon.

She had a name tag. Everyone had a name tag. That's what happens at these meetings. You can see it, partially hidden by her hair, on the photos. Part of the 'discussion' on this thread has featured the name tag and the fact that SH moved Ms Fulani's hair to read it.

This is getting really ridiculous...

Oreo

Mollygo

Chestnut
All these nonsense incidents will just make people wary of each other and less likely to engage. Is that what you want, volver and GagaJo?
Apparently, yes.

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Let's make it even clearer. People of colour are already very wary of engaging with racists. Because it can end up in a life or death situation.

Not an exaggeration.

Don't blame people of colour. Blame the racists.