Buckingham Palace Aide resigns

I wonder what the back room people ( those who send out invites) are going to do about the next convention at the place.

In other words, Fulani wants the Palace to bend over backwards and do all she wants.
It ain't gonna happen.
If she doesn’t want to meet SH to receive an apology then tough.

FFS sure, but not for the reasons that you agree with Gagajo
I think the more that comes out about Mrs Fulani the fishier it all is.
We don’t have to agree on anything, it’s social media where we all have our own opinions.

*But it evidently wouldn’t work for the agenda of Vd or ms whotsit. British Citizens don’t accept apologies, especially if it would remove them from the limelight and allow the true purpose of the meeting to gain the publicity it should have.
Her hurt is paramount!
Her abuse!
Her violation!*

Ms Fulani has not refused to meet with Lady H. She has said:

1. She didn't want her to lose her job, she has said she is "an elder", in this context a respe truly description.
2.That things could be done differently, removing her from front line events whilst educating her in why what happened shouldn't happen etc
3. She has said that she will meet with Lasy S if and when it is clear that Palace authorities are going to constructively act to change things, to ensure similar does not occur again.
4. She has suggested that Palace officials need to engage directly with herself and others with relevant experience to look at why this occurred, why it is inappropriate and more than blatantly rude, how their "retainers"" can be supported to understand the problem better , to avoid a repeat of similar etc

In other words she is saying that as much as an apology can be made that is not enough to address the much wider issue, there needs to be change across the institution, systems in place to avoid a repeat, support to facilitate better understanding etc etc!

Normandygirl

imaround

Oh except it does matter pieinthesky, about Meghan's claims of racism because Lady Susan was on the team of people of helping Meghan make the transition to royal life.

And the thing about your funny antidote is that, once you explained where you were from in London, the questions stopped. For Fulani that was not the case.

You experience shows very well how a white woman was asked and her answer accepted, while a black woman was asked and her answer not accepted. That is the racist part of this incident.

" a black woman was asked and her answer was not accepted"

If you read the transcript it shows that she didn't answer the questions which prompted further questions. If Lady Hussey is guilty of anything here it's naivety in falling for a well planned ambush.

Ambush? Along with 5G, covid being a conspiracy and aliens landing on Hackney Heath.

FFS.

If you read the transcript it shows that she didn't answer the questions which prompted further questions.

errmmm...

Lady SH: Where are you from?

Me: Sistah Space.

SH: No, where do you come from?

Me: We're based in Hackney.

imaround

Oh except it does matter pieinthesky, about Meghan's claims of racism because Lady Susan was on the team of people of helping Meghan make the transition to royal life.

And the thing about your funny antidote is that, once you explained where you were from in London, the questions stopped. For Fulani that was not the case.

You experience shows very well how a white woman was asked and her answer accepted, while a black woman was asked and her answer not accepted. That is the racist part of this incident.

" a black woman was asked and her answer was not accepted"

If you read the transcript it shows that she didn't answer the questions which prompted further questions. If Lady Hussey is guilty of anything here it's naivety in falling for a well planned ambush.

MerylStreep

I was a supporter of Kids Company from its inception.
The general public have no idea how many lives Camilla Badmanghelidjh saved and changed.
One thing I know for sure is: we wouldn’t have the problem in London that we have now.

Exactly MerylStreep. She was a very committed person, devoted to that cause. The poor children who were thrown aside as a result...

I was a supporter of Kids Company from its inception.
The general public have no idea how many lives Camilla Badmanghelidjh saved and changed.
One thing I know for sure is: we wouldn’t have the problem in London that we have now.

Last sentence of Boz's post:

Some of us have come across the Fulani in West Africa ………. They are infamous bandits.

It's not too difficult to guess the implication, so let's set the record straight.

Fulani is the lady's married name. The ONS has a record of a marriage to Paul Fulani in 1990. Like many other women, Ms Handley took her husband's surname.

Even if Paul Fulani has anything to do with bandits in West Africa, what has that to do with this lady? It seems like defamation to me, but not surprising given the mass gaslighting which is currently happening on social media.

Incidentally, her real name isn't "Mary" you really should check your facts before spreading smears Boz.

Chestnut

That's all very interesting Boz. There was another charity which folded due to mishandling. Remember Kids Company? Just wondering if there are any similarities.

I’ve just googled it because it was the first thing I thought about when this story broke. But the woman concerned has been exonerated.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/12/mismanagement-claims-kids-company-founder-thrown-out-camila-batmanghelidjh

Chestnut

That's all very interesting Boz. There was another charity which folded due to mishandling. Remember Kids Company? Just wondering if there are any similarities.

Except it was found that the allegations were groundless and very very sadly in that case, the children that the charity had been supporting, were left without any other charity picking up the pieces.

DaisyAnne wrote, and I'm not going to quote the whole thing,

Since when did everyone have to stand back and think - ah well, this stranger's history may mean that my normal behaviour, not intended to upset anyone, is not appropriate because they see themselves as in some way different?

That is not equality. That is people asking for extra special behaviour from everyone else, just for them. And it is behaviour where the goalposts are constantly shifted.

When meeting people from outwith your own social milieu, standing back and thinking for a moment is exactly what you should do. You say that Susan Hussey was brought up to be well-mannered, which may well be true but they are the manners of Chewton Mendip and a paternalistic aristocracy that no longer has the clout that it did. What constitutes good manners, beyond the basics of treating people well, varies between cultures and even subcultures. I'm sure the young Ngozi Fulani was taught the good manners of a Kilburn railway worker's family. Susan Hussey was taught that members of the lower orders ought to defer to her rank. Ngozi Fulani was no doubt taught that it was a tough world out there for a dark-skinned girl in 60s London and she had to be sassy to hold her own and thrive. If we don't think for a moment when these forces come together, a culture clash is inevitable.

Susan Hussey would do well to ask her baby brother William Waldegrave for advice: he represented the inner-city St Pauls district of Bristol for 18 years.

GagaJo

Actually DaisyAnn, it is terrifying that you think anyone that believes in racism, that isn't bound by law, is an extremist.

My god. I fear for my DGS if many people in the UK think that way.

Horrifying, isn’t it?

I can only hope the younger generations do better

Calling out racism isn't 'far-left'. It's what any person with a conscience does.

Yes, we did or perhaps you didn't notice in all the outrage.

However, there are other issues here which are being sidelined by this one.

GagaJo

DaisyAnne

There is a problem because volver wants there to be a problem, Maybe No other reason why anyone would criticise an attempt to reconcile an unfortunate situation.

I think volver must come from the disrupt and remake extreme of politics. Both the far right and the far left think it will work. If only they would look at Brexit honestly, they would see it doesn't.

Calling out racism isn't 'far-left'. It's what any person with a conscience does.

Defining any racism that isn't illegal as not being racism, is however, far right. Aka Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson. Known and self-proclaimed racists.

Do you actually read what others write GagaJo. Where, oh where, did I say it was far-left?

This is about a single-issue protest group or groups and their behaviour being similar to both the far-left, the far-right and other extremists. Just because you want to hear it differently, doesn't mean I wrote it differently.

It is becoming apparent - until I learn differently - that the act of presuming to call out what someone defines as racism only their own "truth", not one recognised by the majority or law, can be racist itself.

What kind of country are we living in?

The kind where women are abused and murdered by their partners every week, children are abused and when people try to bring attention to this wordwide problem the event gets derailed by a furore over unacceptable remarks.

The kind of country where someone's outrage over unacceptable, racist remarks take precedence over murder, rape and abuse of women and children.

The kind of forum when, if anyone tries to mention this, they are told they are guilty of whataboutery and deflecting from the issue.

That kind of country?
Or just that kind of forum?

That's all very interesting Boz. There was another charity which folded due to mishandling. Remember Kids Company? Just wondering if there are any similarities.

Smileless2012

Perhaps the problem with meeting with up and receiving an apology would draw a line under the incident MayBee. No more publicity. Nothing more to say.

I think they would need a tape recorder and a solicitor in the room sadly, and possibly a mediator. Both need some guidance, and some legal reference, or we will see even more of this splashed across the papers.

Thank you Boz for that enlightening response.

Strangely enough 3 days ago there was a post on twitter by Sistah Space "Thanks everyone for their support. It is not our wish to reveal the person involved, it is the system that needs to be revised. Yes the person was offensive, but it serves no purpose to name and shame her, it would make us just as bad. We prefer this to be handled kindly".

Oh the irony!!!

That was for Boz's post

I'm just speechless. What kind of country are we living in?

I've definitely judged, don't worry.

DaisyAnne

There is a problem because volver wants there to be a problem, Maybe No other reason why anyone would criticise an attempt to reconcile an unfortunate situation.

I think volver must come from the disrupt and remake extreme of politics. Both the far right and the far left think it will work. If only they would look at Brexit honestly, they would see it doesn't.

Calling out racism isn't 'far-left'. It's what any person with a conscience does.

Defining any racism that isn't illegal as not being racism, is however, far right. Aka Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson. Known and self-proclaimed racists.

DaisyAnne

GagaJo

DaisyAnne

volver

No matter how often people say it wasn't racist, it was.

That's not an opinion, it's the facts.

Sorry. Welcome to the 2020s.

I can't decide if you are arrogant or ignorant. You feel you can call people racist on facts that you make up. There are laws about racism. They are the only things that make an act racist. What was it, in this case, that meant anyone broke the law?

You are allowed an opinion however outlandish. You are not allowed your own facts.

A fact is a datum about one or more aspects of a circumstance, which, if accepted as true and proven true, allows a logical conclusion to be reached on a true–false evaluation. Tell me how that applies to this situation, and I will agree it is a fact. Otherwise, I revert to the first line of this post.

OMG.

So you think as long as something doesn't break the law, it isn't wrong?

Apartheid was legal.
US segregation / Jim Crow laws were legal.
Slavery was legal.

There is a ton of racism that goes on that isn't illegal. Doesn't make it right.

Didn't all those violate the most basic tenets of international human rights law and policy.

There wasn't any human rights laws during US slavery. Not sure about the wording of the statues during the 1950s.

My point is, of course, legal does not always equal right.

It is possible to be racist and be legal.