Reflecting the polls

happycatholicwife1

What, in your opinion, is the reason why NHS has gone so far downhill? It's always been pointed out to people in the US as the example of good national healthcare. Is it because not enough people are paying into it?

Compared with the US, the NHS receives a fraction of the funding. Everybody pays in, but the government decides how much to allocate from taxation.

That’s a pretty broad statement Iam but you are right ... the Tories have thrown money at the NHS post Covid. With no vision, no plan and no desire to grasp the nettle that is social care to unstick the gridlock in the hospitals. Osborne and his stupid ‘austerity’ measures were annoyingly useless (I could cry over what Gideon did to us, the b****ard*) but now? Money is no object. Yet it Hardly makes a dint really, after all the under funding.

Good luck to Starmer.
He inherits a real mess - Covid, (massive, yet he’d have locked us down and furloughed us for longer remember? I do - making a bad situation worse), the war in Ukraine ... gas shortages anyone thanks to Putin - and trying (and pretty much failing, sadly) to get a grip on Brexit. Oh, those lost opportunities if the other 2 big things hadn’t tsunami’d across!

Well we are where we are.
I’ll fetch the popcorn.

People don't 'pay into the NHS, HCw,. It is funded by the state and is available for all UK citizens free of charge.
The tory party, which has been in power for the last 12 years, is ideologically opposed to services of any nature being provided by the state, so have been systematically keeping the NHS short of funding since 2010. You may, or may not, approve of this but most UK citizens are emotionally and ideologically attached to the NHS, though its effectiveness has been badly impaired by the lack of funding and it is now on the verge of collapse.

As are, I'm sorry to say, a great many UK public services, private enterprises and institutions. The UK is in a downward spiral of decay...

HappyCatholicwife , the nhs like every other public service has been devastated by 12 years of Tory mistule

What, in your opinion, is the reason why NHS has gone so far downhill? It's always been pointed out to people in the US as the example of good national healthcare. Is it because not enough people are paying into it?

Kandinsky

What will this board moan about all day when Labour are in charge?
They’ll be plenty of people twiddling their thumbs not having anything to have a go at.

I'm looking forward to that day.

Kandinsky

What will this board moan about all day when Labour are in charge?
They’ll be plenty of people twiddling their thumbs not having anything to have a go at.

I believe the government have given the public good reason to moan.

Interesting how people who oppose holding it (government) to account always use derogatory language to describe criticism... "moaning", "whingeing", etc.

Also, why do you assume the current government's opponents are all Labour supporters? Or, if they are, that they are incapable of criticising the party?

ronib

Yes David Milliband gave a tv interview not so very long ago. He was weighing up his options as he has a young family to consider.

Good news, thanks.

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Yes David Milliband gave a tv interview not so very long ago. He was weighing up his options as he has a young family to consider.

Casdon
It is being discussed.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/29/not-decided-yet-david-miliband-hints-at-political-comeback

Have you heard that David is thinking about doing that ronib? It would be great if he did, I haven’t heard anything though.

No no way Ed. David Milliband will be considering his position. He has the option of returning to Uk politics if he can afford the temporary drop in salary.

ronib

Every time I hear David Miliband speak, he comes across as considered, rational, measured, calm .. he delivers speeches supremely well. He has the power to persuade. Who holds actual power in government, well that’s another story.

David Milliband is no longer an MP, he’s the president of the International Rescue Committee. Do you mean Ed?

Every time I hear David Miliband speak, he comes across as considered, rational, measured, calm .. he delivers speeches supremely well. He has the power to persuade. Who holds actual power in government, well that’s another story.

GrannyGravy13

Dickens Kanye West aka ye has rendered himself pretty much untouchable with his recent round of interviews along with wearing WLM (white lives matter) T shirts at various Fashion Weeks, he has announced that he is a fan and admirer of The Nazis and Hitler and what he has been saying about the Jewish community would definitely not be allowed on GN

Yes

Dickens Kanye West aka ye has rendered himself pretty much untouchable with his recent round of interviews along with wearing WLM (white lives matter) T shirts at various Fashion Weeks, he has announced that he is a fan and admirer of The Nazis and Hitler and what he has been saying about the Jewish community would definitely not be allowed on GN

Kandinsky

What will this board moan about all day when Labour are in charge?
They’ll be plenty of people twiddling their thumbs not having anything to have a go at.

Oh I am sure we can rely on those of a right wing persuasion, led by the misinformation peddled by certain newspapers, to trot out stories showing the Labour government in the worst light. It will be a difficult job clearing up the mess left by this corrupt administration and their grubby mates, so we will all be in for difficult times; the difference will be in who gets the blame for it.

Curtaintwitcher

The working classes have been betrayed by Boris Johnson, who managed to convince us that voting for his party would be the best choice. However, I don't think Starmer will put things right. At the moment, he seems to have realised that you have to appeal to the voters in order to get elected. Suddenly, he is saying all the right things, but I doubt his sincerity.

Excuse me, Johnson didn't 'convince' me to vote for him.

Allsorts

Who one left a bigger mess or a note to say the country was broke, who lied and put us in conflict with Iraq and sent our boys, that's what they were, to war there. Many of those that lived still have PSD. Is this the party?
Think before you pass sweeping comments about a parties perfection. Everyone one of us, politicians included makes errors of judgement. You own up, apologise, learn from them and work to improve.
NHS can't cope with the work load, too many people using and wanting too few resources, they haven't given up. If really ill they are there for us. A war we are supporting as best we can in Ukeaine, we can't just abandom them, Russians have ensured they have no heat, now that's heartbreaking. We do have heat, though expensive, we are receiving help, food too, so many countries would be happy to have what we have.
We've had Covid, that hadn't gone yet. Our teenagers through no fault of their own have lost so much, all they hear is moaning from people that have known holidays full employment and most being able to buy a home. I'm glad I'm the age I am and sorry for our grandchildren. so much for any government.
I don't know which party will get in orcwhominwill vote for but we are where we are now, let's try to,concentrate on now and help those less fortunate.

Crikey.

The EU is a much bigger friend than the UK, however there are serious tensions with the French, Airbus v Boeing and French v US arms, both need to be seen to treat each other fairly.
In this respect they have both been guilty of subsidizing industries in the past.

Don’t worry Kandinsky there are a great many right wing Gransnetters who will enjoy criticising (or ‘moaning’ as you call it) a Labour government. There are also many left wingers who will enjoy criticising Labour’s centrist stance. Such is the nature of the game.

Dickens
“What bodes with our ever-closer relationship, our 'special' relationship, with the USA?”

I think we should get real about this “special relationship” quite honestly. That boat sailed with Brexit. The USA is only interested in powerful economic blocks.

Did anyone see the photos of Biden and Macron? Now that was making it clear where the special relationship lay.

Kandinsky

What will this board moan about all day when Labour are in charge?
They’ll be plenty of people twiddling their thumbs not having anything to have a go at.

Well not all Labour MPs will be Saints and Labour has it's own divisions.

The media will go for whoever is in power and I don't think they will allow any new government a honeymoon period.

Kandinsky

What will this board moan about all day when Labour are in charge?
They’ll be plenty of people twiddling their thumbs not having anything to have a go at.

Oh no - not as far as I’m concerned.

I know exactly what I want from the next government, and will not spare my criticism if they don’t met with my expectations.

I am not expecting too much to begin with as there is so very much to do, but I shall be watching them, and forming an opinion.