Reflecting the polls

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I think Labour will win the next GE.
Mind you, I’ve made predictions in the past .... 😁

I do remember the Trump one Urms

2024 can’t come quickly enough.

Mind you if the Tories get back in then I shall truly know that the U.K. is on a suicide mission to oblivion.

Urmstongran

I think Labour will win the next GE.
Mind you, I’ve made predictions in the past .... 😁

Mind you, I’ve made predictions in the past

... haven't we all!

I think Labour might well win, too. If so, Starmer will have to be very wary - and clever - both at the same time. Look at the mess we're in. I think his biggest problem will be that we are a very divided nation and if he pleases one demographic, he'll not please the other. And, he's got both Brexiters and Remainers on his tail. Not to mention the other divisions within his own party - not quite as bad as the divisions in the current Tory party... but they are apparent.

The problem with a more equitable society is that it can't be achieved over night, and the mood of the country at the moment seems to be that people want things to change - now.

Good points Dickens.
We are a divided lot in many ways. And impatient to see improvements. The NHS is a biggie plus social care. Will Starmer address it? The Tories seem to have given up and are just treading water. It’s not good enough.

Who one left a bigger mess or a note to say the country was broke, who lied and put us in conflict with Iraq and sent our boys, that's what they were, to war there. Many of those that lived still have PSD. Is this the party?
Think before you pass sweeping comments about a parties perfection. Everyone one of us, politicians included makes errors of judgement. You own up, apologise, learn from them and work to improve.
NHS can't cope with the work load, too many people using and wanting too few resources, they haven't given up. If really ill they are there for us. A war we are supporting as best we can in Ukeaine, we can't just abandom them, Russians have ensured they have no heat, now that's heartbreaking. We do have heat, though expensive, we are receiving help, food too, so many countries would be happy to have what we have.
We've had Covid, that hadn't gone yet. Our teenagers through no fault of their own have lost so much, all they hear is moaning from people that have known holidays full employment and most being able to buy a home. I'm glad I'm the age I am and sorry for our grandchildren. so much for any government.
I don't know which party will get in orcwhominwill vote for but we are where we are now, let's try to,concentrate on now and help those less fortunate.

Thanks for this morning's laugh, Allsorts. 😆

With the boundary changes, especially in the South East, plus Scotland's SNP 's.
I think it's not going to be easy for a Labour majority.

I Agree with your post Dickens. Urmston is correct to highlight the importance of a proper plan to fund social care and to say the tories seem to be treading water.
A lot of research and efforts has gone into considering the best way of funding social care but nothing changes. The current plan seems to be increasing funding, giving it to the health service with the aim of it increasing beds in social care. That won’t happen. Any additional funding will be swallowed up by the nhs, with social care as ever left to struggle.
The current state of all,our public services is a disgrace. They’re run down with profits being made in areas that should be publicly funded and accountable.
Starmer has a huge task aheaf

Yes - the Labour Party is picking up a huge millstone and some very urgent tasks.

But I think that they need to be brave and think outside the box.

Think post WW11.

So no need to panic but have a clear vision of what the U.K. will look like in the next few years and pursue it with the ruthlessness it needs by positive and active government intervention and following the Keynesian tools for growth.

Some reasons why the Tories lost

£120bn to Tax Avoidance
£80bn to Brexit
£265bn to Government Corruption
£135bn to Privatised Energy
£80bn to the banks
£40bn to Water/Telecoms/Rail

£720bn, almost the entire tax revenue

We can’t afford the Tories

Whitewavemark2

Yes - the Labour Party is picking up a huge millstone and some very urgent tasks.

But I think that they need to be brave and think outside the box.

Think post WW11.

So no need to panic but have a clear vision of what the U.K. will look like in the next few years and pursue it with the ruthlessness it needs by positive and active government intervention and following the Keynesian tools for growth.

Excellent post!

The working classes have been betrayed by Boris Johnson, who managed to convince us that voting for his party would be the best choice. However, I don't think Starmer will put things right. At the moment, he seems to have realised that you have to appeal to the voters in order to get elected. Suddenly, he is saying all the right things, but I doubt his sincerity.

Urmstongran

I think Labour will win the next GE.
Mind you, I’ve made predictions in the past .... 😁

I said, with confidence, the Boris Johnson would never become Prime Minister!
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I said, with confidence, that Donald Trump would never become President!

I’m saying with confidence that Trump won’t get in next time. I’m hoping he will be in the middle of a court case, or in prison for sedition.

Whitewavemark2

I’m saying with confidence that Trump won’t get in next time. I’m hoping he will be in the middle of a court case, or in prison for sedition.

Hope your crystal ball is better than mine!!

There's many a slip of course but it seems likely in this moment that Labour will form the next government, the Tories losing most of the red wall seats. However, Labour will inherit the most awful mess and the measures it will need to take will probably alienate many voters so it could well go out of office a few years later. A pity we lost the continuing 4% of GDP due to Brexit and no prospect of recovering it.

I actually thought Labour would have a bigger proportion of the votes.

Bigger than 60+%? The result reflected the polls.

The Labour lead is the best since the 90s.

I think the Labour Party will win by just doing nothing because the Tories have made such a mess.
However it’s not enough, people need hope that things will improve under a Labour government. The concern of voters are many but top of the list is the state of the health service, crumbling social care, ambulances waiting for hours outside A&E, difficulties getting a GP appointment, waiting for years for hospital treatment/surgery, and non existent local services.
Being Tory light is not enough, where are the policies?

Farzanah, IMO they won’t publicise a lot of policies until shortly before the GE, in case the Tories pinch any obviously popular ones.

One such I heard mentioned by some Labour spokesperson recently, was abolishing non-dom status - and about time time too, IMO. AFAIK it’s an anachronism, introduced during Caribbean sugar plantation owners’ time.
Either you’re normally resident or you’re not, and if you are, you pay U.K. taxes.
IMO it’s been an avoidance tactic used - and misused - by very well off people for far too long.

MaizieD

Thanks for this morning's laugh, Allsorts. 😆

What a thoroughly nasty uncalled for comment!
That is the reason I never post on these discussions!