Discrimination against 3.8 million women

Oldbat1

Poppyred I’m a Waspi and had to wait until I was 63 to get my pension which I expected at 60 and I do not receive a “much larger pension”.

Same..

I knew in the mid 1990s that my state pension wouldn't be paid until I was 65 (ie equalised with men). I remember being miffed in 2011 when it was raised by an extra year to 66. It wasn't a shock to me. Surveys showed that about 70% of women were aware of the changes.

I was born in 1953 and got my State pension at 63. I retired when I was 60 and got my work pension. The thing is though, the Bursar at work warned us that this was happening so it wasn’t a surprise when I didn’t get my State Pension at 60. I had done a pension forecast a long time ago and the amount I got at 63 was around twice as much. I hadn’t carried on working after 60. It is fair though that women should have to wait longer for our pensions. We generally live longer than men and most are living longer anyway.

Delila

So the new rate is 30%+ higher than the old rate. I don’t know whether that compensates for the extra years people have had to wait?

It evens out for women who live to the age of about 82 (need to check).

I take it those who think it “fair” will refuse any of the very doubtful compensation gained for Waspi women?

notgran

What the heck is an "Anti Discrimination Commissioner", there is nothing on any official website that gives this position to anyone in the UK? As far as I can see The Hon Dr Jocelynne Scutt, has simply given herself that title. It doesn't exist. No official person has asked her to publish her report. Basically this is False News. I could say I am the Supreme Commissioner of the Universe and shall publish my report and e-mail to every politician in the world. It would carry the same weight as this bogus report does.

Wiki says she "has served as Anti-Discrimination Commissioner of Tasmania and as a judge on the High Court of Fiji." !!! Does that count?

Do you have a link to the report LizzieDrip?

Oldbat1

Rates currently are £141.85 (which I receive) or £185.15 so over £43.30 more. From Apr 2023 I will receive £156.20 and those receiving the new higher pension will receive £203.85 so £49.65 more per week! Doesn’t seem fair somehow.

The way I look at it and I could have claimed my state Pension when I was 63, my state pension may be less than people younger than me but I got it 2/3 years before they did. You can't really expect to have your cake and eat it. I carried on working past my state pension age which was my choice. This enhanced my pension.

Oldbat1

Rates currently are £141.85 (which I receive) or £185.15 so over £43.30 more. From Apr 2023 I will receive £156.20 and those receiving the new higher pension will receive £203.85 so £49.65 more per week! Doesn’t seem fair somehow.

But you were allowed to retire 3 years earlier than us Whaspis….

Rates currently are £141.85 (which I receive) or £185.15 so over £43.30 more. From Apr 2023 I will receive £156.20 and those receiving the new higher pension will receive £203.85 so £49.65 more per week! Doesn’t seem fair somehow.

So the new rate is 30%+ higher than the old rate. I don’t know whether that compensates for the extra years people have had to wait?

LizzieDrip

I’m a WASPI woman. I expected to get my state pension at 60 but had to wait until I was 66. This meant I had to work 6 extra years in a very stressful job, which had a hugely detrimental impact on my health. I do not get a higher pension than those who got their pension aged 60 - obviously, I can’t speak for everyone, but the people I know get a similar pension to me. I agree with posters above who say we are unlikely to get any compensation for this discrimination but, as with many historical discriminatory practices against women, that should not prevent us from continuing to highlight the injustice!

Those who qualified for a full state pension before April 2016 get about £144 a week compared to those who qualified after that date getting about £180 a week. Don’t have the exact amounts, sorry.

I had to wait an extra 6 years for mine as well!

Yes V3ra we've had to work to 66 and beyond so we've paid more NI and tax...

Delila

Isn’t the new state pension rate (which started in 2016 for women born after 1953, I think) about £40+ per week more than the old rate, for those who receive full pension?

Yes the New State Pension is more than the old basic state pension.

A friend received her pension at 60 whereas I will get mine at 66.
She used to complain I would get more than her, though I will have worked and paid National Insurance for six years more than she did.

We're both self-employed though so does that account for the lack of different amounts that LizzieDrip describes?

Isn’t the new state pension rate (which started in 2016 for women born after 1953, I think) about £40+ per week more than the old rate, for those who receive full pension?

LizzieDrip I can see she has been very successful in her legal career in Australia according to Wiki but being Anti-Discrimination Commissioner of Tasmania holds no water in the UK. I think it's disingenuous to use these titles without qualifying they are from the other side of the world and as I say hold no water here. I have discovered she is a Local Councillor for the Labour Party, which for a lady her age is admirable. Please correct me if I'm wrong but should CEDAW be implemented into British Law it won't make any difference to the 3.8 million 50's born women as retrospective law changing isn't possible. It will be good news for the future, in fighting discrimination against women possibly but the state pension age cannot be changed as it is the law. No discrimination was proved in The Back to 60 case that Michael Mansfield QC lost in the Courts

Apologies Convention for the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women CEDAW. Posting in an hurry🙈

notgran

At least she presumably was as I can't see her being a current councillor in Arbury now. She must have time on her hands to make up reports and give herself grand titles no longer being a councillor.

I take it back. I've found her as a Councillor for another area "West Chesterton"

Notgran as you’ve searched for Dr Scutt in Wikipedia, you will have seen the following:

^ Jocelynne Annette Scutt AO (born 8 June 1947) is an Australian feminist lawyer, writer and commentator. She is one of Australia's leading human rights barristers, was instrumental in reform of the laws on rape and domestic violence,[1][2][3] and has served as Anti-Discrimination Commissioner of Tasmania and as a judge on the High Court of Fiji.[4] ^

Because someone of international renown is not ‘a judge in the UK’ does this make her word any less reputable? She carried out this tribunal and published the accompanying report under the auspices of CEDAW - the United Nations Constitution for the Eradication of Discrimination Against Women, to which the UK has signed up.

At least she presumably was as I can't see her being a current councillor in Arbury now. She must have time on her hands to make up reports and give herself grand titles no longer being a councillor.

I have just Wikipedia'd her and she isn't a Judge in the UK but in her 60's was called to the UK Bar in 2014. She is a local councillor in Arbury Cambs. Hmmm, it is all very curious and doesn't seem kosher to me.

I’m a WASPI woman. I expected to get my state pension at 60 but had to wait until I was 66. This meant I had to work 6 extra years in a very stressful job, which had a hugely detrimental impact on my health. I do not get a higher pension than those who got their pension aged 60 - obviously, I can’t speak for everyone, but the people I know get a similar pension to me. I agree with posters above who say we are unlikely to get any compensation for this discrimination but, as with many historical discriminatory practices against women, that should not prevent us from continuing to highlight the injustice!

What the heck is an "Anti Discrimination Commissioner", there is nothing on any official website that gives this position to anyone in the UK? As far as I can see The Hon Dr Jocelynne Scutt, has simply given herself that title. It doesn't exist. No official person has asked her to publish her report. Basically this is False News. I could say I am the Supreme Commissioner of the Universe and shall publish my report and e-mail to every politician in the world. It would carry the same weight as this bogus report does.

What is really annoying is that my UsS pension age was also increased so I have to wait for that too! Originally it was 60. Now I get penalised if I take it early :-(

67 here.