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How can Sunak stop "illegal" entry for asylum seekers if there is no "legal" way.

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Forsythia Tue 13-Dec-22 16:09:37

DaisyAnne

Forsythia

Why are people happy about the billions this is costing our country in putting these people, mainly men, in hotels? I’m not happy about it. Why should I and my family be paying tax for this?

No one is. But they have run this country down wasting money on Micky Mouse schemes. Why can't they stop playing politics and govern. It really isn't that much to ask of a government.

That’s great. So let’s hear your solution to housing them and supporting them then.

DaisyAnne Tue 13-Dec-22 16:08:37

Forsythia

Why are people happy about the billions this is costing our country in putting these people, mainly men, in hotels? I’m not happy about it. Why should I and my family be paying tax for this?

No one is. But they have run this country down wasting money on Micky Mouse schemes. Why can't they stop playing politics and govern. It really isn't that much to ask of a government.

DaisyAnne Tue 13-Dec-22 16:05:28

MaizieD

^We will, no doubt, get this idiotic repeat of old ideas, including the idea of voter ID, which no one has proved we need (except by tales of a neighbour's neighbour).^

It's now law, *DaisyAnne^, it's happening.

It wont happen properly Maizie. They will not have organised the ID for those that don't have any. Why should they? They don't want them to vote.

It will be yet another unnecessary law that fails.

DaisyAnne Tue 13-Dec-22 16:02:09

"If"*Oreo*. We have had these sorts of statements before but they have just been PR. They will not/cannot organise. They do not recognise international law that our country helped put in place so they screech to a halt. It seems to be beneath them to actually do these things well.

Now maybe you think this time it will be different - but why should anyone else think that?

Forsythia Tue 13-Dec-22 16:01:43

Why are people happy about the billions this is costing our country in putting these people, mainly men, in hotels? I’m not happy about it. Why should I and my family be paying tax for this?

MaizieD Tue 13-Dec-22 15:54:28

We will, no doubt, get this idiotic repeat of old ideas, including the idea of voter ID, which no one has proved we need (except by tales of a neighbour's neighbour).

It's now law, *DaisyAnne^, it's happening.

Oreo Tue 13-Dec-22 15:17:25

Bit hard on Sunak there DaisyAnne he’s trying to get the numbers down.
If Albanians can be fast tracked back to their country it leaves more room to sort out genuine asylum seekers.
I see nothing wrong in that at all.

DaisyAnne Tue 13-Dec-22 15:10:57

Witzend

I really don’t understand why Albanians have been allowed to enter (as refugees) at all. Albania is not a war zone, nor is it AFAIK in the grip of drought, famine, or flood.
Yes, it’s a poor country, but so are others - which are war zones, and/or in the grip of severe drought/famine.

The U.K. already has a dire shortage of affordable housing, and more and more people are needing food banks. And we don’t have enough GPs, hospital doctors and nurses for our existing population.

Please feel free to disagree, but I don’t see how - with the best will in the world - we can afford to admit as refugees, everyone who thinks they stand a chance of a better life in the U.K. Where does it stop?

The problem isn't that we don't stop them, or that we do. The government cannot administer a system even if that is what they wanted to to (and they don't).

Sunak is doing nothing other than appeal to the lowest common denominator in order to get the votes he needs to stop him being the next PM to leave.

DaisyAnne Tue 13-Dec-22 15:01:17

It's not the most important issue Wheniwasyourage but it is high on the lists of voters whose votes the Conservatives need to win in the up coming 2023 local elections.

We will, no doubt, get this idiotic repeat of old ideas, including the idea of voter ID, which no one has proved we need (except by tales of a neighbour's neighbour).

We are also being lied to about the "new" Brexit Deals achieved. This last one has put the UK Statistics Authority in the unenviable position of having to write to the the Tories (Michael Gove) to ask him to stop it. But it's plain to see who Sunak and Gove's lies are intended to attract.

So no change at the top of the Tories then.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 13-Dec-22 15:00:43

MaizieD

Here we go...

Albanians...

In the PM’s statement he mentioned that there had been an agreement reached between the U.K. and Albanian governments to return the majority of the Albanian young male asylum seekers to Albania.

(The statement is available in full on the gov.u.k. Website)

Witzend Tue 13-Dec-22 15:00:08

I really don’t understand why Albanians have been allowed to enter (as refugees) at all. Albania is not a war zone, nor is it AFAIK in the grip of drought, famine, or flood.
Yes, it’s a poor country, but so are others - which are war zones, and/or in the grip of severe drought/famine.

The U.K. already has a dire shortage of affordable housing, and more and more people are needing food banks. And we don’t have enough GPs, hospital doctors and nurses for our existing population.

Please feel free to disagree, but I don’t see how - with the best will in the world - we can afford to admit as refugees, everyone who thinks they stand a chance of a better life in the U.K. Where does it stop?

Oreo Tue 13-Dec-22 14:53:44

If Albanians make up a big percentage of the economic migrants then why not mention them? That’s in the news at the mo, meetings with the Albanian government to sort it out.
They can’t want a lot of their work force to go missing after all.
I don’t blame them for wanting to come here or Germany, but Germany is now closed to them.They aren’t asylum seekers in any case.

MaizieD Tue 13-Dec-22 14:48:33

Here we go...

Albanians...

Oreo Tue 13-Dec-22 14:46:12

Maybe because the government want to speed up the deportations for Albanians as it’s called a safe country.That’s what Germany did.
All the healthy mainly young men from Albania want to work here for the well paid jobs.They can’t earn anything like that in their own country.Since Albanians make up 30% of the people coming over on small boats it seems like a sensible decision.
I guess the term illegal immigrants covers it as they and others are entering a country without passports, paperwork or permission.

MaizieD Tue 13-Dec-22 14:42:57

Nah... too sensible Wheniwasyourage grin

Wheniwasyourage Tue 13-Dec-22 14:05:11

Is this really the most important issue on voters' minds just now over the whole UK? I can see that it is an issue for those living in Kent, but surely that doesn't justify breaking international friendships, or even international law. Just speed up the asylum process for a start and let's allow some of the people who want to come here for safety to get on and work (as they want to but are not allowed to) for a living, contribute to society and pay tax.

MaizieD Tue 13-Dec-22 13:59:23

Well, he can't, can he.

It's just hot air for the xenophobes.

It's the popular definition of madness; do the same thing over and over again and expect it to get different results.

DaisyAnne Tue 13-Dec-22 13:47:27

Lots of noise from Sunak.

"Illegal immigration" is neither a legal term nor an accepted definition except within the Conservative and other far-right parties. It is second on the Conservative voters' list so it's second on Sunak's list - whether he believes in what he says or not.

So, no way, as far as I am aware, to legally apply for UK asylum outside the UK. Therefore, people have to come to the UK to make their application.

Now Sunak is saying they will send asylum seekers to countries which have more applicants to process than we do. Seeing how well this government can negotiate with other countries, I don't hold out any real hope that these countries will agree.

The only possible way to fairly consider claims is for the government to realise that maladministration - in all areas not just refugees - is their biggest problem. But of course, administrators low and high, are just there to be bullied by the Conservative MPs.

Yet again, we get a lot of rhetoric (remember Rwanda?) with not a hope in hell of it improving things for us as the host country or the people concerned.