How can Sunak stop "illegal" entry for asylum seekers if there is no "legal" way.

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nanna8
In Albania there’s a prime time tv show ridiculing gypsies. It’s very popular. BTW, read up on the Russian invasion of a sovereign country: Ukraine.

Grateful for your concern though. Rest assured I live a full happy and productive life.

And have some unpleasant opinions about 'gravy trains'.

DaisyAnne

You have a very illogical view of the challenges we face Forsythia and of other people's views.

You appear (and do correct me if I am wrong) to the believe the government have not gone far enough but are going in the right direction to solve what you see as the issue.

You seem to lay all the problems on to your chosen group, so called illegal migrants (although there is not such thing).

You also seem to think that if other posters do not want the unfounded ideas you hold then they do not want to solve the problem.

Don't you think it worth finding out a few more of the facts and the reality of the issue before attacking other posters. Attacking the politics of a party is one thing but why the personal attacks? I do wonder where you are getting your information from.

Lovely of you to be so concerned about me DaisyAnne. I don’t believe I’ve attacked any poster who disagrees with my views but do show me an example, if you can. What I will do is retaliate if a poster attacks me in person, as you did yesterday. I think that’s only fair, don’t you?

My information as you call it is on all TV channels and newspapers and I do tend to believe them rather than the views of Gransnet members who are sympathetic towards all migrants, genuine or otherwise. Of course, migration is a huge growth sector and many people have jobs supporting migrants whether it be social workers, legal aid lawyers, refugee charities, hotel owners in rundown areas, all of which may well influence views because without those migrants the gravy train would stop. They’d lose their jobs, the hotels would lose their clients, the lawyers would have to find other avenues of revenue, the charities might cease to operate and no longer receive funding.

All facts that may be worth consideration. But I guess I’m wrong about that too.

Grateful for your concern though. Rest assured I live a full happy and productive life.

Oreo

Lazy thinking of you Petera
Albania is very much in the news and Albanians make up 30% of people arriving here in small boats.Germany has already closed the loophole by saying that Albania is a safe country, which it is, and denying asylum to anyone from there.
Am all for genuine asylum seekers from war torn or otherwise terrible situations being given a sympathetic hearing but the thousands of economic migrants are putting a strain on the system.
The only thing I agree with the OP on is wondering if this government can handle things since they’ve made a pigs ear of so much else.

If it was possible to process asylum claims in Albania, Oreo, they wouldn't feel the need to come here in small boats, would they? And the traffickers would have fewer customers. Just part of the pig's ear, about which I agree with you!

You have a very illogical view of the challenges we face Forsythia and of other people's views.

You appear (and do correct me if I am wrong) to the believe the government have not gone far enough but are going in the right direction to solve what you see as the issue.

You seem to lay all the problems on to your chosen group, so called illegal migrants (although there is not such thing).

You also seem to think that if other posters do not want the unfounded ideas you hold then they do not want to solve the problem.

Don't you think it worth finding out a few more of the facts and the reality of the issue before attacking other posters. Attacking the politics of a party is one thing but why the personal attacks? I do wonder where you are getting your information from.

Nah - they are the little people - not worth consideration.

Whitewavemark2

Much more of your hard earned money has gone into lining the pockets of the corrupt Tories, buying them yachts and property than has gone to helping those seeking refuge from war, torture and starvation.

I wonder if the LadyM is available to ferry a few refugees! It would certainly be more comfortable and safer than a dinghy.

Forsythia

growstuff

By the way Forsythia you're not unusual in being a taxpayer. Every single person in the UK who buys anything or uses any service is a taxpayer.

I’m not unusual no. But like so many others I question how my hard earned money is spent. If you agree with it then that is your prerogative. I disagree with it and resent it. That money could be better spent on British people who are struggling.

Meanwhile, Ashford Hospital in Kent has been told to clear its A&E department to admit those whose boat has sunk in the channel overnight. Shame for the poor Kent residents who rely on this hospital to have their needs pushed to one side. Or perhaps you think that is acceptable? Ambulance crews have been diverted to the coast to attend to the migrants who made the journey. Don’t call an ambulance in Ashford this morning then. Your needs are not priority.

I didn't write anywhere whether I agree or disagree. You seem to be an angry person, if you have to make things up about people.

Much more of your hard earned money has gone into lining the pockets of the corrupt Tories, buying them yachts and property than has gone to helping those seeking refuge from war, torture and starvation.

growstuff

By the way Forsythia you're not unusual in being a taxpayer. Every single person in the UK who buys anything or uses any service is a taxpayer.

I’m not unusual no. But like so many others I question how my hard earned money is spent. If you agree with it then that is your prerogative. I disagree with it and resent it. That money could be better spent on British people who are struggling.

Meanwhile, Ashford Hospital in Kent has been told to clear its A&E department to admit those whose boat has sunk in the channel overnight. Shame for the poor Kent residents who rely on this hospital to have their needs pushed to one side. Or perhaps you think that is acceptable? Ambulance crews have been diverted to the coast to attend to the migrants who made the journey. Don’t call an ambulance in Ashford this morning then. Your needs are not priority.

My grip is just fine thanks.
For many Russians Putin is like a god they love him to bits.
Sure, some citizens are starting to doubt the war not that it will do them any good.That’s only because the war isn’t going all that well for Russia.If it was then they would love Putin even more.
Look what the soldiers including conscripts have done in Ukraine, torturing killing and raping and looting.They didn’t need to do that to men women and children in towns and villages, they wanted to do it.

biglouis

*Why is it acceptable for billions of money earned through taxpayers of this country to be spent on migrants who arrive having contributed nothing. Housed in hotels, 3 meals day which they complain about, free to roam around the towns and cities that they’re deposited in, nobody asked for them to be there. Meanwhile, the taxpayers are working supporting this*

Agree 100%. We need a harsh system like that of Australia whereby anyone who arrived via an illegal route will never be allowed to settle here. These people should stay in their own country to work or fight for better conditions.

But it's not illegal to cross the Channel by boat, nor is it illegal to apply for asylum.

Oreo

nanna8

Used to be gypsies, there’s always someone. I guess the Russians will be next.

What the hell?!
So you think the Russians are good guys? One good thing we have done lately in Britain is to stand strongly by Ukraine.
Get a grip.

Lazy thinking of you Oreo

Russia is a country currently involved in war of its government's making. Russian citizens are being conscripted to fight in this war often against their will. For many Russians, Russia is not a safe country.
Get a grip.

nanna8

Used to be gypsies, there’s always someone. I guess the Russians will be next.

What the hell?!
So you think the Russians are good guys? One good thing we have done lately in Britain is to stand strongly by Ukraine.
Get a grip.

Lazy thinking of you Petera
Albania is very much in the news and Albanians make up 30% of people arriving here in small boats.Germany has already closed the loophole by saying that Albania is a safe country, which it is, and denying asylum to anyone from there.
Am all for genuine asylum seekers from war torn or otherwise terrible situations being given a sympathetic hearing but the thousands of economic migrants are putting a strain on the system.
The only thing I agree with the OP on is wondering if this government can handle things since they’ve made a pigs ear of so much else.

Used to be gypsies, there’s always someone. I guess the Russians will be next.

And they have successfully diverted attention away from the official government report about how much the Tories have trashed the NHS.

The migrant issue has been so good for the Tories. It keeps the sheep nicely in line.

MaizieD

Here we go...

Albanians...

It's the currently acceptable racist adjective.

By the way Forsythia you're not unusual in being a taxpayer. Every single person in the UK who buys anything or uses any service is a taxpayer.

This government raises the immigration issue whenever it wants to deflect attention from the fact that, after 12 years of their governance, the UK is broken. Put the ‘blame’ on desperate people searching for sanctuary or a better life rather than addressing the real issues and the real culprits - the Conservative government, supported by the right wing media.

Forsythia have you ever met an asylum seeker? They are mostly people who want to work but are unable to do so. Many of them are qualified and have skills this country could use. They want to contribute and pay taxes. But they are stuck in limbo where they are unable to work, have no idea how long their case will take, can get little information from the authorities and still do not know if they will be returned to the country they fled from. Some of them become involved in volunteer work which helps the community and gives them a focus, but they cannot do paid work. If you object to paying taxes tell your MP to get the system changed, process applications quickly and efficiently and allow asylum seekers to work whilst they wait a verdict. Then they will be paying tax as well.

A few facts:

The UK is home to approx. 1% of the 27.1 million refugees who were forcibly displaced across the world.

About 1,200 medically qualified refugees are recorded on the British Medical Association’s database. It is estimated that it costs around £25,000 to support a refugee doctor to practise in the UK. Training a new doctor is estimated to cost between £200,000 and £250,000.

The Home Office can take months or even years to make a decision on asylum case, and there is a growing backlog of cases. At the end of June 2022, there were over 117,000 people awaiting an initial decision on their asylum case.

There is no such thing as an ‘illegal’ or ‘bogus’ asylum seeker. Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country that has signed the 1951 Convention and to remain there until the authorities have assessed their claim,

Source: The truth about asylum.

Forsythia

I don’t vote Conservative. But as a taxpayer I am an interested party in what my hard earned money goes on. If that makes me a ‘xenophobe’ I am happy to be one.

Billions wasted on this hotel scheme could be better funnelled into the NHS, schools, to name but two.

These migrants should all be working and contributing. No ifs or buts. The majority are men. They should be out working, contributing. As those of us who fund them living here are doing.

The migrants want to work Forsythia They live on very little and you will probably have a family living in one room. I doubt you can imagine what that is like. There is no food provided and no facilities to cook. They would much rather earn enough to rent a flat but they are not allowed to so please don't scapegoat them and blame them for the economic chaos.

You sound like you have as much knowledge about the law surrounding asylum seekers as the dreaded Carole Malone does about inactive workers. Like you she, knowing nothing about inactive workers, the other day she was shouting at the camera the other day saying they should all be made to pick crops.

Surely, you need to understand what you are saying before you say it. Almost all people seeking asylum are not allowed to work and are forced to rely on state support – this is as little as £5.84 a day to live on.

For that amount of money or less, we should be able to hire a lot of Home Office staff, train them to assess assylum applications fairly, efficiently and speedily and allow the 75% or so whose claims are granted to move out of hotels, find work and settle in this country. Many of them have skills we need and it is absurd that they are not permitted to work.