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What does an SNP MSP have to say to those concerned about the Gender Recognition Reform (self-id of sex) Bill?

(44 Posts)
volver Fri 16-Dec-22 09:03:16

Galaxy

Oh and the Tories used to be great supporters of self ID until Johnson decided it was a vote winner to pretend to be interested in womens boundaries, they care not one jot about women or transpeople.

Exactly.

Not interested in doing what's right, only what's popular.

Galaxy Fri 16-Dec-22 09:00:00

Oh and the Tories used to be great supporters of self ID until Johnson decided it was a vote winner to pretend to be interested in womens boundaries, they care not one jot about women or transpeople.

Galaxy Fri 16-Dec-22 08:48:53

Five minutes ago the outliers on prisons, puberty blockers, mermaids, tavistock etc were a few feminists, now its mainstream thinking, sometimes the outliers are right.

volver Fri 16-Dec-22 08:32:50

Sorry - Oreo, not "Oreo".

volver Fri 16-Dec-22 08:32:08

Oreo

Galaxy was just using that as an example.
Politics isn’t like supporting a football team? It is for some!
The SNP can do no wrong y’know.😂

I know how examples work "Oreo". I extended the analogy.

Oreo Fri 16-Dec-22 08:29:17

It’s a slippery slope and all women should be concerned.

Oreo Fri 16-Dec-22 08:27:45

Galaxy was just using that as an example.
Politics isn’t like supporting a football team? It is for some!
The SNP can do no wrong y’know.😂

volver Fri 16-Dec-22 08:16:51

Galaxy

Also if the Tories were saying the earth is round I would be agreeing with them. Politics isnt like supporting a football team.

But then the other parties would be saying it's round too. The Tories wouldn't be outliers.

volver Fri 16-Dec-22 08:10:35

Aveline

But it not everybody else it's just those MSPs too foolish to look at how the majority of the country is thinking of the subject.

Evidence for it being the majority of the country?

Galaxy Fri 16-Dec-22 06:47:16

Also if the Tories were saying the earth is round I would be agreeing with them. Politics isnt like supporting a football team.

Aveline Fri 16-Dec-22 06:42:09

But it not everybody else it's just those MSPs too foolish to look at how the majority of the country is thinking of the subject.

volver Fri 16-Dec-22 05:14:06

Wheniwasyourage

Maybe, paddyann54, but what I can't understand is why most of them as well as the Labour and Lib Dem MSPs are determined to carry on with this legislation ins spite of a lot of disquiet (to say the least) among the general public. It's come to something when the only people many of us can agree with on this subject are the Tories. sad

If you agree with the Scottish Tories and everybody else thinks differently, that's telling you something.

FarNorth Fri 16-Dec-22 00:35:49

There are numerous threads on GN which don't interest me.
I don't bother going onto them to say they are boring, tho. Why would someone do that?
grin

Galaxy Thu 15-Dec-22 23:57:33

We all have different opinions on what is boring thankfully.

DaisyAnne Thu 15-Dec-22 23:51:48

I think you will find this is going to be another long and boring thread.

FarNorth Thu 15-Dec-22 23:40:56

I think you'll find paddyann that SNP will 'whip' its MSPs to vote for the GRR Bill.
You may recall that Ash Regan MSP had to resign her ministerial post because she was voting against it at its previous stage.

Do you paddyann have any views about how uninformed Fulton McGregor seems to be, on this important topic?
Do you have reason to believe that other MSPs are better informed ?

Wheniwasyourage Thu 15-Dec-22 14:42:12

Maybe, paddyann54, but what I can't understand is why most of them as well as the Labour and Lib Dem MSPs are determined to carry on with this legislation ins spite of a lot of disquiet (to say the least) among the general public. It's come to something when the only people many of us can agree with on this subject are the Tories. sad

paddyann54 Thu 15-Dec-22 11:48:53

I think you'll find that as in all aspects of life SNP .MP's and MSP's have their own individual views .The SNP like all parties is not one homogenous mass

FarNorth Thu 15-Dec-22 11:44:50

An article about Fulton McGregor MSP's
response to constituents' concerns.

(Mr McGregor is an SNP MSP and is a member of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee which has been looking at evidence on the GRR Bill so he should be well-informed.)

womenvotingwithourfeet.wordpress.com/2022/12/14/more-questions-than-answers/?fbclid=IwAR0sPjPsz-Q6fczEgM03MvFDrg3NH0W8fAO0n1lJLvYKyBdvSZFc52e53P4

We asked this key question of Mr McGregor: “If, say, there was an increase of sexual assaults in a space that was previously single sex, how would we be able to tell if those assaults were by males who have a GRC or by females, given that it will be recorded as female on female assaults?”

“It will be impossible,” he said.

“So there is no way of measuring whether this change will impact females adversely if we cannot tell the male females from the female females?”

“Yes, we won’t be able to tell.”

So far, it appears that the majority of SNP MSPs, and all MSPs, will vote in favour of the GRR Bill on 21st December.