Young girls changing to please men

Erm..Judi Dench?

Stop press: Jane Fonda has had the lot! Uplifts, facelifts, implants.
Oh dear who's left for me to look up to?

Oh to have the energy and interest to spend hours in front of a mirror. Those were the days!
I always had Jane Fonda to look up to and I keep up the gentle in my case yoga . She doesn't enhance? Or does she?

FannyCornforth

Thank you Wyllow
I thought that was the case, but I honestly didn’t want to cause offence.
You never know what people are going through,
You can post something innocently enough and all hell can break out (well, it happens to me!)

We're good, Fanny. I think a good rule of thumb is, "don't generalise" since there are huge numbers of different MH conditions as much as there are physical. And its good to mention and accept that.

Back to O/P thinking, do I dress according to when men might like? the funny thing is, never thought of it much when I was young: I looked healthy, had good hair and figure, and went round in dungarees....

but been aware with some curiosity of the "invisible" phenomena as you got older.

That the way I dress or act now does alter male response. There is still the "mmm, she looks attractive...*for her age*" factor at work....

In the same ‘red carpet’ vein, I hate those split to the navel dresses.
So ugly

Thank you Wyllow
I thought that was the case, but I honestly didn’t want to cause offence.
You never know what people are going through,
You can post something innocently enough and all hell can break out (well, it happens to me!)

One of the saddest sights for me is young girls posing in a sexually provocative manner.

Typical was an article on kids of famous people - can't remember who it was but some actress with her young and lovely daughter who was standing in that awful pose of one leg raised on tip toes or something like that, to make her bum stick out and be prominent. It's such an ugly pose for any woman to effect for the camera.

You even see A-listers on the red carpet doing this - just why?

FannyCornforth. We talk about MH quite aa bit on gransnet, which is good, as it used to be a matter of shame and people hid it. I didn't have any problems with your post, it as specific about one particular illness and probably has been in the press.

It was Chestnuts post which made me feel uncomfortable

, "The videos I've seen recently show her with a group of friends who look like Satanists, and on her own gyrating and pouting like someone with mental health problems. She looks totally insane and completely obsessed with sex."

Its the conflation of "pouting like someone with Mental Health problems, "friends who look like satanists*" "*ooks totally insane".

As in someone who "looks like they have" MH stuff " I won't try and explain more if this doesn't send up warning signs to reader as a generalisation about MH that goes "beyond the pale" that is likely to upset genuine MH sufferers.

What proportion of women, of any age have all these enhancements? Sure the papers feature them a lot. I do not know about social media as GN is as far as I go down the social media road.

I judge by the women I see in the supermarket, my next door neighbour's teen age daughter and her friends, my teenage grandaughter, the teenage school children who walk past my door, and they look perfectly normal, none of the extremes of make-up and surgical enhancement so discussed here.

I did see a girl like those described working in my bank, face like a mask - and expression, but she looked completely weird and out of place. I felt sorry for her, behind the perfect expressionless maquillage, I suspected a deeply insecure child.

I used to absolutely adore her Galaxy
Especially in her Like A Virgin, Like A Prayer and Vogue days.
She was an absolute Goddess.
I can’t believe what she has done to herself.
I often think about how she could be; an beautiful icon for older women.

I was thinking the other day that Geri Horner (nee Halliwell) named her daughter Bluebell Madonna after her.
I wonder if she regrets it?

Madonna was famous at a level that cant be healthy for anyone for a long time. I dont think she is obsessed with sex, I think she uses it as a marketing tool. I have always had a soft spot for Madonna.

I don’t know what has happened to / with Madonna.
She has totally trashed her legacy.
I think that strong drugs may be heavily involved

Sorry, I didn’t know that we couldn’t mention mental health.
Apologies if I have upset anyone.

Callistemon21

It's not just young women.

Carol Vordermann looks like a parody of herself.

I think Vorderman has mental health issues, body dysmorphia or similar.
(I can’t stand the woman by the way, but that’s got nothing to do with it)
She reminds me of those transwomen who have autogynephilia (sp?)

It’s all to do with pornification and social media, I reckon.

Those Brazilians used to worry me- what sort of man wants that? Who would want their girlfriends to look like a pre-pubescent child? I leave it to your imaginations...

Chestnut

Callistemon21

Oh, no, Madonna.

Please - show us how to grow older gracefully.

Don't get me started on Madonna. The videos I've seen recently show her with a group of friends who look like Satanists, and on her own gyrating and pouting like someone with mental health problems. She looks totally insane and completely obsessed with sex.

Chestnut, please think through postings about what you associate "like someone with Mental Health problems". It could easily be read as offensive by this connecting!

Callistemon21

Oh, no, Madonna.

Please - show us how to grow older gracefully.

Don't get me started on Madonna. The videos I've seen recently show her with a group of friends who look like Satanists, and on her own gyrating and pouting like someone with mental health problems. She looks totally insane and completely obsessed with sex.

That's true. Permanent make up seems all the rage now, but imagine if it went wrong?

I know someone with no eyebrows (Had to have tattooed ones after a beauty treatment went wrong)

My daughter in law had permanent eye liner and eyebrows done, but my son was grumbling to me saying it didn't look that good. Probably he didn't understand that it was instead of makeup , rather than an enhancement. It was done well enough and filled the gaps in her eyebrows but I was careful to only say positive things to my son about it.

Mascara and makeup is removed at the end of the day. Those huge filled lips that look like sausages take months or years to gradually disappear. Surgery is permanent. It’s not the same thing at all.

Looking back I think my friends and I wanted to shock our parents or at least rebel a bit so changing our appearance was an easy way to achieve this.

I can remember my mum looking horrified at my sister and I going out with thick black mascara and white makeup.
She said we looked like ghosts.

Wyllow3

What, some right feet?

No, just some gracefulness!

Soft porn has a lot to answer for. entire websites devoted to young men posting videos of themselves f'king their girlfriends naked boastfully and the girls go along with it. Beyond me. what it has to do with love. Cattle market stuff that we tried to change way back.

Soft porn is so accessible now on smartphones and the immature young men vie for the Jessica Rabbits to make the men of their peer group jealous. So many ‘big’ girls about with skinny boys I’ve noticed.

It’s sad in some ways how some girls desperately want to alter their appearance. They see it as ‘enhancing’ it I suppose.

I don't agree. Many men don't like the look of big bums/lips/breast, false eyelashes etc. I think some women feel pressure to look a certain way because of social media.

What, some right feet?