Young girls changing to please men

Injecting ourselves with Botox etc, I mean.

We plucked our eyebrows, we dyed our hair, we rolled skirts up and down but all of those things didn’t necessitate us going under the knife, injecting ourselves with substances or things that might endanger us and that might be irreversible.

Katie59

So they are styling themselves to please other girls/women

Yes!

My son (who is single) is a pro at spotting girls on tv who have "had work done". I don't usually notice myself, but he doesn't like it. The duck lip and frozen features are not a good look. I hope somewhere there is a nice girl with her own features who he can meet!

My friend used to sellotape her fringe flat.
But clearly all the strange things we did were reversible and that's the difference.
I don't like the fashion for tattoos either or all year round tans.

I squeezed my feet into pointed toed shoes jane71 . I back combed my hair and slept all night with rollers, rinsed it in beer. Must have smelled horrible.
I don't think it was for boys, just experimenting. it didn't attract many boys

Not all women have surgery to satisfy men, what nonsense

If anything, they do it because society has an unrealistic standard for how we should look, some women view it as competition

every generation has done this - standard and means to achieve them change

Are some posters trying to tell me that they have not cared for atracting men and have done something towards that?

Well yes I agree that young women today are doing things to please men, but in our day we could only change our clothes and hair. Would we have had Botox etc if we could have done? I bet we would.
Some of the things that I did seem ridiculous now. I remember turning up my waist bands to make skirts shorter, and teachers at school measuring their lengths. All for the boys!

It's really sad isn't it. Just imagine if it was your own DC or DGC?
A friend worked for a while as a receptionist at a cosmetic surgery in London where her sister was a nurse.
None of the procedures were essential because plastic surgery for burns etc is available on the NHS.
Most were having Botox to cancel wrinkles but a couple of the stories stand out.
One was a mother trying to get a breast enlargement for her very young daughter. The girl was a minor so was refused.

Another, again a breast enlargement was a young Arab woman due to be married. She was ashamed of her body which her fiance had never seen. On discovering there would be noticeable scarring, she chose to postpone the wedding.
The customers/patients were given some time to consider their decisions but ultimately, the money was the driving force.
Both women have left now

I don’t think the men like it that much. My SiLs think it’s awful fortunately.

I these girls see people like Katie Price, younger versions of her, Kim Kardashian etc and they copy them.

Its true, in that men are doing it too, its as if instead of what I'd hoped for in the 80's, ie women not being "objects" according to appearance, men are likely also to join this trend.

Yes, it's sad. As for how men respond, I think it depends on the man. I asked a relationships counsellor about how men and women perceive each other:

She said, on the whole, sexually, men are more "visual" in terms of fast judgements. woman take in "friendly" or :success" or possible other emotional attributes more.

Whether this is conditioning or "natural", I have no idea!

I agree with your post Chestnut I think this current look is more about female competition than man pleasing. The cosmetic surgeons are certainly benefiting from this trend.

It's not just young women.

Carol Vordermann looks like a parody of herself.

They are trying to fit in with the current look which is apparently slug eyebrows, rubber lips, blown up faces, enlarged boobs and buttocks. They think that men want women to look like this and they think that other women will admire and envy them if they look like this. So a bit of both. In fact they all look like they are coming off a Jessica Rabbit production line.

I've no idea whether any young men find this look attractive but if the woman is looking for a long term relationship then maybe these men are not the right type. Probably best to be yourself and find someone who likes the real you.

I don’t think the fashion industry is responsible. After all it’s tall and extremely skinny that’s desired in fashion.

I think it stems from music videos and has gone on via Kim Kardashian with her ridiculously large and fake backside. She actually looks deformed but has made millions because of it. Then we have celebrity reality stars a la Katie Price who has recently had her 16th breast enlargement in order to have the largest breasts in the country apparently. It generates publicity, which, in turn, generates large earnings. It’s a vicious circle.

Amazes me too. Why would you? And how can they afford it?

Not just restricted to women either. Anyone seen the photos of Simon Cowell on todays newspapers?

So they are styling themselves to please other girls/women

I think it's more to do with fitting in with their peers than pleasing men. I was reading something by a plastic surgeon recently who was appalled that teenagers now see having fillers as a perfectly normal part of their makeup routine.

Not sure it’s for men.

Girls have always styled themselves to what they think attracts men, everything from makeup to cosmetic surgery, some succeed, some look ridiculous.

All the men I have spoken to think these look ridiculous. I don't think we should blame men for this, maybe the fashion industry.

There are lots of women who do not see their main purpose in life as pleasing and adapting to men.

There are a subset of women who do act like this - and always have been - my experience is that the majority of other women react to them as we have done.

What amazes me most is that this group remains, despite most women not needing to 'win' a man to avoid a lifetime of poverty, as they can earn a reasonable living themselves.

I agree Allsorts, some of these young women are naturally beautiful and they destroy their looks eventually. Leslie Ash was stunning before she lost her looks and her health to a botched cosmetic procedure.

And if they didn't adapt to social standards, women were singled out