Young girls changing to please men

15 year old DGD, stylish and fashion mad, saw a photo of one of these bloated lipped, slug browed women in the paper and was quite dismissive of girls and women who affected such styles. 'Nobody does that these days'. A sample of one, but certainly none of her friends I have seen look lke this.

But the number of women, and their demographic, on the razzle in a big city at the weekend are still only a small proportion of women as a whole, and even of their age group.

Don’t see many round here, apart from large false eyelashes. Either we have very good surgeons who do it unobtrusively,or they don’t bother.

M0nica

What proportion of women, of any age have all these enhancements? Sure the papers feature them a lot. I do not know about social media as GN is as far as I go down the social media road.

I judge by the women I see in the supermarket, my next door neighbour's teen age daughter and her friends, my teenage grandaughter, the teenage school children who walk past my door, and they look perfectly normal, none of the extremes of make-up and surgical enhancement so discussed here.

I did see a girl like those described working in my bank, face like a mask - and expression, but she looked completely weird and out of place. I felt sorry for her, behind the perfect expressionless maquillage, I suspected a deeply insecure child.

I’m assuming you don’t live in a big city or go out on a Friday or Saturday night Monica, it would soon disabuse you of your belief that not many women have had cosmetic procedures.

These things are much more common than you realise. Salons encourage young women to have Botox and lip fillers with enticing special offers. Many programmes I've seen on TV have young women who look 'enhanced' and plumped up. This encourages more women to have these treatments.

^Body enhancements. Tattoos are very common. Piercings are very common. Breast enhancements commonplace
Lips becoming more noticeable.^

Sorry, totally disagree. I doubt whether 1 in a thousand women in the country have had breast enhancements, 1 in 1,000 among under 35s. tattoos and piercing aren't done to please men. What is a body enhancement?

Lips fillers are more common, but it is only in certain groups of young women, who find the Kardashians and their like attractive. Millions of young girls look for entirely different aesthetics.

I have to admit I was jealous of my sisters slim legs, however since then I have realized that you need to be confident with what you have got.
Sometimes I feel sorry for the really attractive girls, because they attract the wrong type of men, which really messes their lives up.

I don't like the Kardashians but they are smarter than people give them credit for

Playing dumb truly works for them

But I wonder if these young women are dopey and shallow - or very scheming and cunning.

After all, Kim Kardashian invested in massively enhanced buttocks,landed a tv 'reality' show and made gazillions in the bank!

Young women look at her example and (so it seems) think "I could do that......"

They need to enhance their IQ before they go off to get themselves a big bum.

Body confidence has ALWAYS been a problem .my late mother lived on very little food to conform to 1920's 30's fashion .Sadly she carried on with it all her life and at her heaviest was 7 stone !
She made all her daughters body conscious too,we were all too fat if a size 10 ,I had a "sticky out bum" which needed well covered as it was unslightly big boobs and by big a 34b should be kept firmly under control.
I dont for a minute imagine she was the only person of her generation who thought like this and IF there had been a way to get rid of the unwanted boobs etc without starving herself I'm quite sure her generation would have done it too .

Women have always conformed to fashion its not new,the slug eyebrows will be replaced by something else ,unlike mine plucked into oblivion.
I think all this drama about what people do to THEIR bodies is ridiculous

M0nica

What proportion of women and girls buy into this? 1%?, 10%.

Aren't people getting very exercised over a very few women and girls, not even a signficant minority. Such people will always be with us, but they are not anywhere as influential as people think.

Body enhancements.
Tattoos are very common
Piercings are very common
Breast enhancements commonplace
Lips becoming more noticeable.

Lack of body confidence is a big problem

The sooner we have legislation in place against such invasive procedures the better.
Look at all the money Simon Cowell has and how his surgery turned out. Joan Rivers died having her face done. All surgery comes with risks to healthy young people.

What proportion of women and girls buy into this? 1%?, 10%.

Aren't people getting very exercised over a very few women and girls, not even a signficant minority. Such people will always be with us, but they are not anywhere as influential as people think.

I think that ¹the pressure on young people especially women is enormous, but I think it's quite complex. You have headlines and interviewers saying to people who have had terrible plastic surgery, you look amazing for your age, firstly it's a lie and secondly it further reinforces the idea that not looking your age is a good thing.

Thank you Chestnut. It was a frightening time. She was brave and strong. We were and are very proud of her.

but does commenting on how people look impact on the choices women make? especially younger, less confident women

Analysing what may be impacting the choices young women make is not the same as commenting on how people look.

Sorry to hear such a dreadful thing happened. Treatment for burns or injuries are a world away from cosmetic procedures which are done purely for vanity reasons. And I just cannot even imagine going under the knife or having any invasive treatment done for vanity that wasn't necessary. They can hardly complain when things go wrong which they sometimes do.

I agree chestnut . Noone on here is objecting to a bit of lippy and heels!
It's the extreme body alterations which are so sad in most instances

My DN was badly burned in her teens and had to undergo extensive plastic surgery in her early teens.
I'm happy to say she has grown into a most compassionate, fun person - without tattoos.

Chestnut, you're right.

I don't wear high heels but envy those who can, I don't always wear makeup but will put some on today before I go out - for one thing I look healthier with a bit of blusher!

I wouldn't condemn anyone who has plastic surgery because their lives are made a misery such as having over-heavy breasts, a large stomach after Caesarians etc.

However, the very pretty young girls who are having their faces and bodies distorted because they think this is the norm of beauty are being misled by these reality stars and bloggers.

Looking like Jessica Rabbit is not the norm!

paddyann54 I think that commenting on an individual in real life who may be plain or overweight is very different to general comments on all these invasive treatments which penetrate the body in some way.

I like ot look good ,I dont slop around in gym wear .I wear high heels every day,I always put on makeup ..before I'm dressed .I take care of my skin etc etc.
I dont and never have done it for men.I do it for me .I feel better if I look presentable ,I know my idea of presentable isn't everyone else's and thats finebut I get really irritated by the holier than though attitude of some on here who seem to think looking good is the devils work.
Whatever these women do to themselves is their business,I never pass remark on ANYONEs looks its just downright rude and nasty .I used to have a friend who would comment on women when we were out ,thats a face you wouldn't want to wake uo to...ooh look at the size of her ,etc .She 's not my frend anymore .We are all different and a tolerence of others makes a much nicer life .

Among the most dangerous beauty advice I ever came across was from a 'therapist' offering invasive beauty treatments for the region normally shielded by a gusset.

Reason "all women want to look their best 'down there'."

I don't think we really understand yet how social media affects people emotionally. There seems to be an increase in young people with eating disorders, whether that is because they are diagnosed quicker or because of additional strain of having to conform to look a certain way, I don't know. It's just worrying. All these young people are lovely anyway but the beauty business is designed to make people feel insecure about themselves. I actually stopped using A SALON AS THEY KEPT TRYING TO BOOK ME IN FOR REALLY EXPENSIVE FACIALS BECAUSE 'YOUR SKIN ISN'T IN ITS BEST CONDITION' Whoops at caps

Wyllow3

*FannyCornforth*. We talk about MH quite aa bit on gransnet, which is good, as it used to be a matter of shame and people hid it. I didn't have any problems with your post, it as specific about one particular illness and probably has been in the press.

It was Chestnuts post which made me feel uncomfortable

, "The videos I've seen recently show her with a group of friends who look like Satanists, and on her own gyrating and pouting like someone with mental health problems. She looks totally insane and completely obsessed with sex."

Its the conflation of "pouting like someone with Mental Health problems, "friends who look like satanists*" "*ooks totally insane".

As in someone who "looks like they have" MH stuff " I won't try and explain more if this doesn't send up warning signs to reader as a generalisation about MH that goes "beyond the pale" that is likely to upset genuine MH sufferers.

'Mental health problems' can encompass absolutely anything including psychopathic serial killers, so I can't apologise for using a generic term which has no connection to thousands of other mental health conditions. From videos and pictures I've seen Madonna and her friends all look crazy (whatever that means). I am sorry if you read something into that and were offended or upset.