Harry sensationally accuses camilla

Pre internet & mobile phones it was probably easier to keep secrets. Perhaps Charles' staff helped them. I don't believe that no one knew, at least his staff had to have known.

So strange, everyone knew Charles and Camilla’s affair lasted from their first meeting. Yet Diana’s father worked for the Queen, her grandmother for the Queen mother, the Spencers
holidayed at Balmoral, her eldest sister married Robert Fellows, her second sister dated Charles. The Queen is godmother to Charles Spencer yet No one knew of the passionate love affair.

Apologies for digressing from the main topic but ballet dancers are something that i take a great interest in.
Ditto. Have you seen the The White Crow?

That I named the wrong venue is incidental to the fact that Meghan and the Queen looked very happy together. That was my point.
No probs Dinahmo.

The Crown is fiction. Fonteyn clunky? Really?

Joseanne

No, I think * Zoejory* and * Tickingbird* just wanted to clear up any confusion because there was actually a time where Meghan and Kate, not The Queen, were seen smiling together at Wimbledon. They were right to swiftly correct the mistake.

That I named the wrong venue is incidental to the fact that Meghan and the Queen looked very happy together. That was my point.

With regard to other comments about Charles and Diana both having affairs - I think that she could be excused. She was just 20 and he was 32 when they married.

The millions of photos taken during the engagement and the wedding show that she was, perhaps mistakenly, in the throes of a romantic love affair. He obviously wasn't although it looks as though he tried hard in the pix.

I recollect hearing rumours about Prince Philip having a love child when I first moved to London in the 60s. Remember how he used to walk around with his hands together behind his back? Apparently there was at least one young man who resembled him in that manner. Obviously this was in the days before social media so it was quite something to hear about.

Whilst googling the various affairs I came across a reference to The Crown (which I haven't watched). According to that Philip had an affair with Galina Ulanova a prima ballerina with the Bolshoi. That interested me because when I was a child in the 50s I saw a film of the Bolshoi Ballet with her and she struck me at the time as being rather old. She was 11 years older than Philip. When the film was made she would have been over 40 - rather old. Most retire around that age, apart from Fonteyn who was 19 years older than Nureyev. Their partnership was reckoned to be one of the greatest, if not the greatest, but watching films of her now, she looks rather clunky, certainly compared with the prima ballerinas of today.

Apologies for digressing from the main topic but ballet dancers are something that i take a great interest in.

tickingbird

I read that one of the ex security officers has said she cheated first. It doesn’t matter anyway and I don’t blame her but I know some of her lovers were married men. She helped wreck Will Carling’s marriage and made numerous silent calls to Oliver Hoare, another married man she was having an affair with. I would have thought that she wouldn’t want to do the dirty on another woman after being on the receiving end of same.

Both she and KC were in adulterous relationships. Neither are exempt from hurting their children. Noted in "Spare", correct?

KC could fly over and apologise to his part in Harry's problems.

Thank you Volver

I hope for H's sake that if he does the same, neither of his children will write about it in their memoirs for publication.

We are all the product of our upbringing. Then other things get added, like the influence of friends and in the case of some people- the influence of drugs that forever change your brain chemistry.

Questingvole

"How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child".

Wm Shakespeare, King Lear

The fuck you up your mum and dad
They may not mean to but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had.
And add some extra, just for you.

This be the verse. Philip Larkin.

"How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child".

Wm Shakespeare, King Lear

No, I think * Zoejory* and * Tickingbird* just wanted to clear up any confusion because there was actually a time where Meghan and Kate, not The Queen, were seen smiling together at Wimbledon. They were right to swiftly correct the mistake.

Dinahmo

volver

tickingbird

The Queen didn't go to Wimbledon with Meghan

You are right and I was just about to say the same. So much disinformation out there.

It wasn't Wimbledon Dinahmo, it was Cheshire.

You could regurgitate made up stories from Facebook, think photoshopped pictures of Harry prove him to be a liar, selectively quote from Harry's book to mkae him look bad or just make stuff up to suit yourself, but for goodness sake don't mistake Cheshire for Surrey.

www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2018/06/14/queen-and-meghan-giggled-together-like-teenagers-says-body-language-expert/

Your entire credibility is gone

(Yes, sarcasm.)

Sorry about that. I'm afraid that being a southerner I know little about Cheshire, or even Shropshire (newspaper article) apart from historically. It was many years before I even went north of Watford. However, you have proved my point that the two of them looked to be very happy together.

I assume from your comment that whenever I post about taxation or the debt and govt borrowing you will not believe me. I'm afraid that I don't do emojis.

Sorry Dinahmo, I obviously didn't express that well. I am agreeing with you.

There's all sorts of rubbish misinformation posted about Harry and Meghan but you got jumped on by some for something quite innocuous, I suspect because you were defending Meghan.

Apologies again that I wasn't clearer.

Will Carling also behaved poorly in the relationship with the mother of his second child, I think if I remember rightly he ran off with his friends wife. I dont think he needed any help whatsoever, if it hadnt been diana it would have been someone else.
I dont think diana was perfect either.

I think the responsibility for those marriages lies with the people who were actually married.

I don’t absolve husbands from blame but I have a low opinion of women that have affairs knowingly with married men.

I think Diana did a lot of good but she was certainly no saint.

volver

tickingbird

The Queen didn't go to Wimbledon with Meghan

You are right and I was just about to say the same. So much disinformation out there.

It wasn't Wimbledon Dinahmo, it was Cheshire.

You could regurgitate made up stories from Facebook, think photoshopped pictures of Harry prove him to be a liar, selectively quote from Harry's book to mkae him look bad or just make stuff up to suit yourself, but for goodness sake don't mistake Cheshire for Surrey.

www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2018/06/14/queen-and-meghan-giggled-together-like-teenagers-says-body-language-expert/

Your entire credibility is gone

(Yes, sarcasm.)

Sorry about that. I'm afraid that being a southerner I know little about Cheshire, or even Shropshire (newspaper article) apart from historically. It was many years before I even went north of Watford. However, you have proved my point that the two of them looked to be very happy together.

I assume from your comment that whenever I post about taxation or the debt and govt borrowing you will not believe me. I'm afraid that I don't do emojis.

Cheshire apparently.

tickingbird

*The Queen didn't go to Wimbledon with Meghan*

You are right and I was just about to say the same. So much disinformation out there.

In that case where were they? I definitely saw footage of the two of them a few times on the news and remember thinking how happy they both looked.

I think so too Galaxy.

I think the responsibility for those marriages lies with the people who were actually married.

I read that one of the ex security officers has said she cheated first. It doesn’t matter anyway and I don’t blame her but I know some of her lovers were married men. She helped wreck Will Carling’s marriage and made numerous silent calls to Oliver Hoare, another married man she was having an affair with. I would have thought that she wouldn’t want to do the dirty on another woman after being on the receiving end of same.

Franbern

So if Diana had not died as she did (and become some sort of Saint in the processs). Could have been interesting. She had adultorous relationshiops whislt she was still married to Charles, and wold have undoubtedly coninued with other relationships. After all she died whilst with her latest lover.

Agree that she was used when she was young to become the unloved wife of the future King. My goodness, how dreadful - such an unknown thing for arrnged marriages not to be with love!!!!! At least she did have quite a few compensations.

Yes, I see what you're saying about arranged marriages, totally.

Even though they took their vows so publicly, the fact that Charles did not love her and was cheating with his ex must have hit Diana very hard. It means his word meant nothing. The fact that Camilla was at the wedding is totally dreadful. I'm sure on her wedding day Diana had thought she was a fairytale princess and was blissfully ignorant.

She was abominably used, yes. Yes she also had adulterous relationships as by then there was obviously no future with Charles and it is understandable to think she must have looked for comfort. I think it would be devastating to realise your marriage was a sham- and that you were so publicly used. I also see that it would be very hard for your kids to forgive the father for using the mother in this way.

She did have "compensations", but I don't know that clothes, holidays and jewlery are truly compensations for a broken heart or for that type of public shame of being replaced by an older and less pretty woman who was loved when she was rejected.

See! Its all true! Its in the papers!!! I was right...

🤣😜

volver

I wonder?

Maybe this is all the work of aliens who are planning an attack on the world and they think that by destabilising the British Royal Family the population of the world will be more easily conquered.

I mean it could be.

is this what you are referring to volver

www.scotsman.com/news/uk-news/royal-family-are-bloodsucking-alien-lizards-david-icke-2478194Mr Icke, 53, claims the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh are shape-shifters who drink human blood to look like us.

And the father-of-three says a race of half-human, half-alien creatures has infiltrated all the world's key power positions.

lol