A certain book

It is very difficult for the average Jamaican to access the beach in their own country surrounded by some of the most beautiful ocean water in the world

I’m sorry but this is rubbish. I’ve been to Jamaica and Jamaicans are all over the beaches. There may be some of the large, deluxe hotels with private beaches and that’s to ensure tourists can sunbathe without being relentlessly pestered. Nothing whatsoever to do with colonialism and Jamaica is full of American tourists and many other Europeans.

Ridiculous to suggest Jamaicans can’t access the beaches.

Indeed Callistemon and Norah.

Callistemon21

Dai Davies: former Head of Royal Protection and a former Divisional Commander in the Metropolitan Police

🤔 not just any old security person, then!

Indeed.

Many people do consult/ give speeches after they retire. Why? People respect their knowledge and problem solving ability.

Dai Davies: former Head of Royal Protection and a former Divisional Commander in the Metropolitan Police

🤔 not just any old security person, then!

I'm not sure why you have posted several disparaging remarks about this man, Glorianny.
Do you know him personally?

Or do you work in the same field?

I'm curious.

Clearly you know about his expertise Glorianny. Is he a consultant on only one area of security?

Germanshepherdsmum

Nobody would use his services as a consultant if he wasn’t up to date. And if he earns money by giving speeches after a lifetime’s work, good for him. It would be an interesting subject for many.

You can be a consultant on one area of security without being aware of all the technological advances. It is possible now to pinpoint individuals and map the building they inhabit. For the most part it's governments who do it, but not all governments are friendly and nothing is impenetrable. A determined hacker could gain access.

Of course he's welcome to make speeches.

Nobody would use his services as a consultant if he wasn’t up to date. And if he earns money by giving speeches after a lifetime’s work, good for him. It would be an interesting subject for many.

Norah

Germanshepherdsmum

I very much doubt that a security expert would be employed for fifty years if they didn’t keep up to date.

Indeed. Their security firm will have the best methods.

The security firm will have already changed things to thwart problems. We change code on gates and doors, internet passwords monthly (or as needed), surely people accomplishing security as a job do more than we do?

Dai Davies only works as a consultant now and spends more time giving after dinner speeches and talks on cruises. He seems to be a bit of a publicity seeker, having previously spoken about Diana's death (she wouldn't have died if I'd been in Paris) and M&H's move to Canada (their security will cost millions and there have been attempts on Harry www.dailypost.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/former-head-royal-security-reveals-17562914)
So all he is doing is trying to get a few more speaking invites.

Smileless2012 I can only repeat what I originally said and add this. It's not just newspapers or magazines, the character assassination of individuals is relentless. It's not merely the online version of printed matter. Whilst looking at totally unrelated websites, Small windows appear to the side of my screen entitled with suggestions of Harry's wife's further unpleasant behaviour. This pushing of an agenda happened constantly in the lead-up to Brexit. Money is made by picking a divisive issue and sliding these windows in place in the hope of cash per click. Subliminal advertising was outlawed many years ago. Subliminal character destruction is alive and well and making a killing. You cite discrepancies in their statements. What do you think your life narrative would look like in the hands of an organised assault.

Germanshepherdsmum

I very much doubt that a security expert would be employed for fifty years if they didn’t keep up to date.

Indeed. Their security firm will have the best methods.

The security firm will have already changed things to thwart problems. We change code on gates and doors, internet passwords monthly (or as needed), surely people accomplishing security as a job do more than we do?

She’s not daft is she?

Aided and abetted by Meghan.

Who appears to be keeping her head down.

I think it’s deliberate Callistemon he may not be all that intelligent but I don’t think he’s really thick.
I believe he really doesn’t care as he was thwarted by the RF at the Sandringham meeting, he thought he could have his cake and eat it.Now he’s going all out to try and bring his whole family down.Coating his aggression towards them with a smear of concern that they all need to get out of an institution.
Aided and abetted by Meghan.

Re viewing the flowers at Balmoral. (Have looked it up)

It was on the Thursday after Diana’s death. The family had attended a Remembrance Service for Diana at Crathie church, and stopped to look at the flowers afterwards.

Then of course they returned to London for the funeral, which involved looking at more flowers and seeing the public.

I very much doubt that a security expert would be employed for fifty years if they didn’t keep up to date.

Glorianny

MawtheMerrier

Now this!
Is PH stupid? Deliberately destructive? Devious? Totally thick?
The Duke of Sussex has compromised the security of the Royal family by describing the layout of various royal residences, as well as his personal protection detail, an expert has warned.
Dai Davies, a former head of royal protection, said the Duke was a “fool” for revealing such information in his memoir, Spare – details that could prove “dangerous” in the wrong hands
The Duke wrote in the book that he carried an electronic tracker and panic alarm at all times, describing how his protection team operated and reacted.
He included a detailed description of where to find the Queen Consort’s “fanciest bottles” of wine, “absurd gifts from foreign governments and potentates”, as well as “several storerooms full of paintings” at Highgrove, the King’s Gloucestershire home.
Minute details are also shared about the location of Queen Elizabeth II’s bedroom at Balmoral and the precise route from the entrance at Clarence House to the King’s private sitting room, complete with the exact number of stairs
Mr Davies, who has worked in police and security for more than 50 years, said: “These revelations give me great concern and will likely give great concern to Prince Harry’s current team.” It makes the job of protecting him, whether privately or otherwise, problematic. Only a fool would reveal this kind of detail about the royals’ inner sanctums

You couldn’t make it up! .

Well as the Queen is dead and here is no guarantee Charles will use the same room I see no harm there.
As for the paintings etc, well if Charles insists on keeping them on private property and not in a secure vault or gallery so what if a few get pinched. Why should he be the only person to see them?
Mr Davies probably doesn't realise that a skilled hacker with a drone and some decent software could probably map out the buildings, track every member of the RF and find out far more if they really wanted to. If he's been in security for more than 50 years his thinking probably isn't current.

What an insult to Dai Davies, presumably a man with extensive experience in security.

But, of course, you appear to know ways around it! 😁

It is very difficult for the average Jamaican to access the beach in their own country surrounded by some of the most beautiful ocean water in the world. That is colonialism. It is why the British monarchy will endure in England, but not in Jamaica and Australia
🤔

I don't understand the reference to beaches and Australia.

If Australia votes to become a republic what have beaches got to do with it? Most Australians do not have British ancestry either. It is a multi-cultural country.

MawtheMerrier

Now this!
Is PH stupid? Deliberately destructive? Devious? Totally thick?
The Duke of Sussex has compromised the security of the Royal family by describing the layout of various royal residences, as well as his personal protection detail, an expert has warned.
Dai Davies, a former head of royal protection, said the Duke was a “fool” for revealing such information in his memoir, Spare – details that could prove “dangerous” in the wrong hands
The Duke wrote in the book that he carried an electronic tracker and panic alarm at all times, describing how his protection team operated and reacted.
He included a detailed description of where to find the Queen Consort’s “fanciest bottles” of wine, “absurd gifts from foreign governments and potentates”, as well as “several storerooms full of paintings” at Highgrove, the King’s Gloucestershire home.
Minute details are also shared about the location of Queen Elizabeth II’s bedroom at Balmoral and the precise route from the entrance at Clarence House to the King’s private sitting room, complete with the exact number of stairs
Mr Davies, who has worked in police and security for more than 50 years, said: “These revelations give me great concern and will likely give great concern to Prince Harry’s current team.” It makes the job of protecting him, whether privately or otherwise, problematic. Only a fool would reveal this kind of detail about the royals’ inner sanctums

You couldn’t make it up! .

Well as the Queen is dead and here is no guarantee Charles will use the same room I see no harm there.
As for the paintings etc, well if Charles insists on keeping them on private property and not in a secure vault or gallery so what if a few get pinched. Why should he be the only person to see them?
Mr Davies probably doesn't realise that a skilled hacker with a drone and some decent software could probably map out the buildings, track every member of the RF and find out far more if they really wanted to. If he's been in security for more than 50 years his thinking probably isn't current.

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t recall the RF’s car stopping either, let alone the children getting out. They did view the flowers in London as you say Calendargirl.

They did view the flowers at Balmoral but that was days later, on the Sunday which was 4th September 1997.
Harry held Charles's hand and was comforted by the Queen.

Perhaps it's understandable he wasn't clear about the time because he was just a child and must have been in great distress.
I think for adults, significant dates become imprinted in the mind.

It is very difficult for the average Jamaican to access the beach in their own country surrounded by some of the most beautiful ocean water in the world. That is colonialism. It is why the British monarchy will endure in England, but not in Jamaica and Australia.

The monarchy’s last chance to modernize has passed. The Royal family made their choice. The snobbishness which is deeply attached to a sense of blood line superiority won’t survive the first half of the 21st century across the Commonwealth of nations. They will substantially reject both Charles and the angry Prince of Wales.

Throughout his book, Prince Harry details the instances during which Prince William put a finger in either his face, or that of his wife. There is no excuse for that conduct. It marks and identifies William as a royal bully. Apparently his goofiness, which can be misidentified for an awkward friendliness, is a façade to obscure his imperiousness.

Prince Harry did what a man is supposed to do. He has put his wife and children first. He has protected them from abuse and assault. He has protected them from a viciousness and dishonesty that is difficult for almost everyone who hasn’t been smeared by the media to possibly understand.

Prince Harry has told the truth about his life in a straightforward and transparent manner. He has changed the rules of the game. He has lifted his voice against the anonymous sources who come from exactly where he said they come from. The silence of the Royal family with regard to what he has said is not a function of their dignity. It is a product of their shame.

steveschmidt.substack.com/p/prince-harry-has-changed-the-rules

annsixty

He could have said “ this is what I want to remember and I’m not going to let facts get in the way of a good story”

We all remember what we want to remember annsixty it is how human beings survive trauma. Of course sometimes the suppressing of memory can lead to breakdowns, which is why people go into therapy.

They also viewed the flowers at Balmoral, but not that day I think.
You will find quite a lot of that Calendargirl. I wonder if that is the difference with a memoir and an autobiography? It is hardly surprising that a bereaved child would confuse and conflate events, but it is annoying to the reader.
I agree with your observations so far.

I don’t recall the RF’s car stopping either, let alone the children getting out. They did view the flowers in London as you say Calendargirl.

I collected ‘Spare’ from the library yesterday.

Am about 100 or so pages in.

A few things strike me so far, some quite obvious.

1) Losing his mother tragically at 12 years old has had a profound effect on him, should probably have had more counselling/therapy at the time, assuming he didn’t, but this was 25 or so years ago and thinking on such matters changes.

2) Seems to me both Harry and his father should have attended each others boarding schools. Charles would have flourished at Eton, and Gordonstun would have suited Harry so much better.

3) All our memories of past events differ. Harry writes about going to Crathie church on the morning after his mother’s death. He writes that as they return, it is felt the gathering crowds have to be acknowledged. So the car stops, they get out, see the flowers, he reaches for his father’s hand for comfort, cameras click rhythmically.
Now, my memory may not be correct, but I am sure on the Sunday after Diana’s death, the News reported the RF going to church, we saw the cars sweeping along, but no sign of the family inside as such.
The scenes Harry describes were days later, on the eve of the funeral, after all the fuss about the Queen remaining at Balmoral.
I think that was the first time we had seen the boys since the death of their mother.

Harry’s memory is mixed up on that point.

I shall keep on reading.