Asylum seekers- time to Lift the Ban

volver I am and always have been for helping those folks who are so desperate that they risk their lives to get to the U.K.

I am aware that people arrive in the U.K. by other means which if I am correct, on the whole is by overstaying/not returning once a visa has expired.

I used the figure of 40,000 as an illustration to another post suggesting that refugees/asylum seekers could be re-trained as carers as the U.K. has a shortfall, without thinking that these folks might have a different career path in mind.

They are human beings, we are fortunate to be born in a place of safety, they were not.

Isn’t it rather fairyland to think that upwards of 40,000 refugees/asylum seekers who seek refuge here each year would be willing to work in the care system?

I don't think its just a co-incidence that you used the number 40,000 that is the approximate number of people who arrived across the channel. So, I have to think that you think that's the number of people claiming asylum. "Upwards of 40,000" would be maybe 45,000. Not 86,000.

Farage & co are trying, and unfortunately succeeding, to make people think that all those unfortunate people coming over the channel in dinghies are coming here just to claim asylum and that they are taking us for a ride. Whereas at least that number again are arriving by different routes. But not such easy routes for Farage et al to make political points out of.

I am not suggesting that you are part of the Farage et a group, not in any way.

volver

GrannyGravy13

volver

86,000 people claimed asylum in Britain last year.

I think you've fallen for the misinformation spread by Farage and his ilk that we are being over-run by people who arrive in dinghies.

I for one have never said that we are over-run by people who arrive in dinghies

I wish there was an official channel (excuse the pun) so that desperate people were not subject to the whims of what are basically people traffickers, who are making a fortune out of other’s misfortune.

No, I know you haven't GG13, I'm not suggesting that you ever would.

But...

In quoting the number of people who arrive across the channel as the number of people claiming asylum, you are feeding the myth that those desperate people are the ones who ask for asylum, and only them, whereas in actual fact they amount to fewer than half of the people who do.

Sorry you have lost me on this one.

I posted a figure of upwards of 40,000 you posted 86,000.

My figure was less than half of yours, so where am I feeding the myth ?

GrannyGravy13

volver

86,000 people claimed asylum in Britain last year.

I think you've fallen for the misinformation spread by Farage and his ilk that we are being over-run by people who arrive in dinghies.

I for one have never said that we are over-run by people who arrive in dinghies

I wish there was an official channel (excuse the pun) so that desperate people were not subject to the whims of what are basically people traffickers, who are making a fortune out of other’s misfortune.

No, I know you haven't GG13, I'm not suggesting that you ever would.

But...

In quoting the number of people who arrive across the channel as the number of people claiming asylum, you are feeding the myth that those desperate people are the ones who ask for asylum, and only them, whereas in actual fact they amount to fewer than half of the people who do.

Some have paperwork, yes, and I expect they are the easiest and quickest to ‘process’. I can’t begin to imagine how difficult it is to deal with such vast numbers of applications with so many continuing to arrive without proof of identification.

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny

Shinamae

Parsley3

The job of being a carer should not be seen as a useful way of employing asylum seekers. It is an important service and people being cared for deserve to have properly trained staff who choose to do the job.

As a carer myself I totally agree with you…

I agree but why not offer them training and then employ them?
There will be other jobs of course but we are currently experiencing a carer shortage. There were 165000 vacancies for carers. Asylum seekers want to work, we need carers.

Isn’t it rather fairyland to think that upwards of 40,000 refugees/asylum seekers who seek refuge here each year would be willing to work in the care system?

There will be other jobs of course

Why bother to comment if you don't read the post?

I read the post thank you Glorianny

I was commenting on the carer part because that is something I have had family experience of.

volver

86,000 people claimed asylum in Britain last year.

I think you've fallen for the misinformation spread by Farage and his ilk that we are being over-run by people who arrive in dinghies.

I for one have never said that we are over-run by people who arrive in dinghies

I wish there was an official channel (excuse the pun) so that desperate people were not subject to the whims of what are basically people traffickers, who are making a fortune out of other’s misfortune.

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny

Shinamae

Parsley3

The job of being a carer should not be seen as a useful way of employing asylum seekers. It is an important service and people being cared for deserve to have properly trained staff who choose to do the job.

As a carer myself I totally agree with you…

I agree but why not offer them training and then employ them?
There will be other jobs of course but we are currently experiencing a carer shortage. There were 165000 vacancies for carers. Asylum seekers want to work, we need carers.

Isn’t it rather fairyland to think that upwards of 40,000 refugees/asylum seekers who seek refuge here each year would be willing to work in the care system?

There will be other jobs of course

Why bother to comment if you don't read the post?

86,000 people claimed asylum in Britain last year.

I think you've fallen for the misinformation spread by Farage and his ilk that we are being over-run by people who arrive in dinghies.

My Step-Father had several Eastern European male careers in his dementia home along with several men and women from the Philippines they were excellent.

Germanshepherdsmum

I think we all know that the Syrian doctor without proof of qualifications would not be employed by the NHS, BlueBelle. Nobody’s scaremongering.

The lack of paperwork, access to information from the home country and sheer number of arrivals must be an horrendous combination for the Home Office. Of course applications must be dealt with more quickly, but how when there are so many and in the absence of proof of identity?

Not all asylum seekers arrive without proof of identity, some have all their paperwork. It makes no difference they are stuck in substandard accommodation and left whilst the government behemoth grinds incompetently. They cannot discover what stage their application is at. They have no right to ask for or be informed of any progress. They just sit and wait.

BlueBelle
I didn't say he was working in the NHS. I said he was working in IT.
He was told to destroy all his documentation and identify. He now knows that if he had kept his qualifications and identity he would now be in a much better position here.

I agree with the poster who said above that care work is totally unsuitable if you cannot prove absence of criminal convictions, which will be the case with anyone who has no proof of identity or comes from a country where checking is impossible.

Glorianny

Shinamae

Parsley3

The job of being a carer should not be seen as a useful way of employing asylum seekers. It is an important service and people being cared for deserve to have properly trained staff who choose to do the job.

As a carer myself I totally agree with you…

I agree but why not offer them training and then employ them?
There will be other jobs of course but we are currently experiencing a carer shortage. There were 165000 vacancies for carers. Asylum seekers want to work, we need carers.

Isn’t it rather fairyland to think that upwards of 40,000 refugees/asylum seekers who seek refuge here each year would be willing to work in the care system?

Shinamae

Parsley3

The job of being a carer should not be seen as a useful way of employing asylum seekers. It is an important service and people being cared for deserve to have properly trained staff who choose to do the job.

As a carer myself I totally agree with you…

I agree but why not offer them training and then employ them?
There will be other jobs of course but we are currently experiencing a carer shortage. There were 165000 vacancies for carers. Asylum seekers want to work, we need carers.

I think we all know that the Syrian doctor without proof of qualifications would not be employed by the NHS, BlueBelle. Nobody’s scaremongering.

The lack of paperwork, access to information from the home country and sheer number of arrivals must be an horrendous combination for the Home Office. Of course applications must be dealt with more quickly, but how when there are so many and in the absence of proof of identity?

Two of the best carers in my fathers care home were young men. He related to them very well, they were excellent at their jobs and one came to his funeral.

I don't think anybody is suggesting that we just co-opt asylum seekers into caring jobs, but neither should we exclude them just because they are "young men".

Germanshepherdsmum

And if their application is subsequently refused? Fast forward to a claim under the HRA because they have established a life, maybe family, here and/or a successful appeal based on the status they have established, regardless of good reasons for refusal in the first place.

If they are here anyway what is to stop them establishing a family anyway? Arguably if they are not working they have more time to get on with it!

Parsley3

The job of being a carer should not be seen as a useful way of employing asylum seekers. It is an important service and people being cared for deserve to have properly trained staff who choose to do the job.

As a carer myself I totally agree with you…

Rosie51

GagaJo

Yep. Asylum seeker friends of mine 14/15 years for a final decision.

What possible justification can there be for taking so long? How on earth did they manage to live without work for so many years? I accept there is probably a huge backlog but there can't be any justification for taking more than one year to process an application, with the aim of bringing it down to 6 months.

Very few of the applications take a year and I don't think any take less. They have an allowance of just over £5 a day. They are never told how long their application will take, they often can't discover how far through it is.or any details. We are currently paying out millions to keep people in poverty who want to work and who are often highly qualified. It's an inhuman, broken system.

I m sorry Meryl but the Dr you are talking about would not be employed by the NHS without relevant documents You can not just walk into a post without proof you just can’t that is scare mongering

My Philippino friend has never worked for her real profession which is a dentist as although fully trained in her country would not meet UK standards
she is not a refugee and has been here over 20 years

I know of a Syrian Dr who who works in IT. He can’t prove who he is or prove his qualifications.
I’m amazed in the 21st century with the access to information that people have that the Asylum seekers still dispose of their passports when told by the smugglers to do so.
There’s also the problem that even if they were able to keep their documents the IT systems in some countries are sadly lacking.

Rosie51

GagaJo

Yep. Asylum seeker friends of mine 14/15 years for a final decision.

What possible justification can there be for taking so long? How on earth did they manage to live without work for so many years? I accept there is probably a huge backlog but there can't be any justification for taking more than one year to process an application, with the aim of bringing it down to 6 months.

I don't know the details of it. They lived, a family of 4, in a tiny flat. Surviving on their basic allowance. They were moved 3 times, requiring the children to change schools.

Parsley3

The job of being a carer should not be seen as a useful way of employing asylum seekers. It is an important service and people being cared for deserve to have properly trained staff who choose to do the job.

Given that the friends I have that are asylum seekers are a primary school teacher and a nurse, I think they'd be fine retraining as carers.

Don't assume all asylum seekers are skill-less and professionless.

All of us who have / still are working in care have been thoroughly checked out. How are we to check these peoples records if they have destroyed their passports.
Absolutely no when working with very vulnerable people.