Asylum seekers- time to Lift the Ban

And if their application is subsequently refused? Fast forward to a claim under the HRA because they have established a life, maybe family, here and/or a successful appeal based on the status they have established, regardless of good reasons for refusal in the first place.

Maybe best to speed up the process so decisions don’t take years. Allow asylum seekers to work after 6 months as in other countries, then that might focus the Home Office.

You need to be very careful what jobs they’d be doing tho.
Not carers of any kind.Nobody knows if they have criminal records in their own countries as many destroy their own paperwork and use false names.

Excellent idea Veganrock

Yep. Asylum seeker friends of mine 14/15 years for a final decision.

As Asylum Seekers are predominantly young men I really don’t see many being suitable care workers, there is plenty of other work they could and should be doing.

Oh for heavens sake Orea many of these people fleeing a war torn country are doctors dentists and other professions you cannot pay the thousands necessary to get out the country unless you have money Of course if they arrive with no paperwork it will be a different and need to be tackled differently but certainly all those with paperwork shouldn’t be held for years waitingdoing nothing while they could be helping our economy (selfish as that might sound) as well as themselves
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The job of being a carer should not be seen as a useful way of employing asylum seekers. It is an important service and people being cared for deserve to have properly trained staff who choose to do the job.

GagaJo

Yep. Asylum seeker friends of mine 14/15 years for a final decision.

What possible justification can there be for taking so long? How on earth did they manage to live without work for so many years? I accept there is probably a huge backlog but there can't be any justification for taking more than one year to process an application, with the aim of bringing it down to 6 months.

All of us who have / still are working in care have been thoroughly checked out. How are we to check these peoples records if they have destroyed their passports.
Absolutely no when working with very vulnerable people.

Parsley3

The job of being a carer should not be seen as a useful way of employing asylum seekers. It is an important service and people being cared for deserve to have properly trained staff who choose to do the job.

Given that the friends I have that are asylum seekers are a primary school teacher and a nurse, I think they'd be fine retraining as carers.

Don't assume all asylum seekers are skill-less and professionless.

Rosie51

GagaJo

Yep. Asylum seeker friends of mine 14/15 years for a final decision.

What possible justification can there be for taking so long? How on earth did they manage to live without work for so many years? I accept there is probably a huge backlog but there can't be any justification for taking more than one year to process an application, with the aim of bringing it down to 6 months.

I don't know the details of it. They lived, a family of 4, in a tiny flat. Surviving on their basic allowance. They were moved 3 times, requiring the children to change schools.

I know of a Syrian Dr who who works in IT. He can’t prove who he is or prove his qualifications.
I’m amazed in the 21st century with the access to information that people have that the Asylum seekers still dispose of their passports when told by the smugglers to do so.
There’s also the problem that even if they were able to keep their documents the IT systems in some countries are sadly lacking.

I m sorry Meryl but the Dr you are talking about would not be employed by the NHS without relevant documents You can not just walk into a post without proof you just can’t that is scare mongering

My Philippino friend has never worked for her real profession which is a dentist as although fully trained in her country would not meet UK standards
she is not a refugee and has been here over 20 years

Rosie51

GagaJo

Yep. Asylum seeker friends of mine 14/15 years for a final decision.

What possible justification can there be for taking so long? How on earth did they manage to live without work for so many years? I accept there is probably a huge backlog but there can't be any justification for taking more than one year to process an application, with the aim of bringing it down to 6 months.

Very few of the applications take a year and I don't think any take less. They have an allowance of just over £5 a day. They are never told how long their application will take, they often can't discover how far through it is.or any details. We are currently paying out millions to keep people in poverty who want to work and who are often highly qualified. It's an inhuman, broken system.

Parsley3

The job of being a carer should not be seen as a useful way of employing asylum seekers. It is an important service and people being cared for deserve to have properly trained staff who choose to do the job.

As a carer myself I totally agree with you…

Germanshepherdsmum

And if their application is subsequently refused? Fast forward to a claim under the HRA because they have established a life, maybe family, here and/or a successful appeal based on the status they have established, regardless of good reasons for refusal in the first place.

If they are here anyway what is to stop them establishing a family anyway? Arguably if they are not working they have more time to get on with it!

Two of the best carers in my fathers care home were young men. He related to them very well, they were excellent at their jobs and one came to his funeral.

I don't think anybody is suggesting that we just co-opt asylum seekers into caring jobs, but neither should we exclude them just because they are "young men".

I think we all know that the Syrian doctor without proof of qualifications would not be employed by the NHS, BlueBelle. Nobody’s scaremongering.

The lack of paperwork, access to information from the home country and sheer number of arrivals must be an horrendous combination for the Home Office. Of course applications must be dealt with more quickly, but how when there are so many and in the absence of proof of identity?

Shinamae

Parsley3

The job of being a carer should not be seen as a useful way of employing asylum seekers. It is an important service and people being cared for deserve to have properly trained staff who choose to do the job.

As a carer myself I totally agree with you…

I agree but why not offer them training and then employ them?
There will be other jobs of course but we are currently experiencing a carer shortage. There were 165000 vacancies for carers. Asylum seekers want to work, we need carers.

Glorianny

Shinamae

Parsley3

The job of being a carer should not be seen as a useful way of employing asylum seekers. It is an important service and people being cared for deserve to have properly trained staff who choose to do the job.

As a carer myself I totally agree with you…

I agree but why not offer them training and then employ them?
There will be other jobs of course but we are currently experiencing a carer shortage. There were 165000 vacancies for carers. Asylum seekers want to work, we need carers.

Isn’t it rather fairyland to think that upwards of 40,000 refugees/asylum seekers who seek refuge here each year would be willing to work in the care system?

I agree with the poster who said above that care work is totally unsuitable if you cannot prove absence of criminal convictions, which will be the case with anyone who has no proof of identity or comes from a country where checking is impossible.

BlueBelle
I didn't say he was working in the NHS. I said he was working in IT.
He was told to destroy all his documentation and identify. He now knows that if he had kept his qualifications and identity he would now be in a much better position here.

Germanshepherdsmum

I think we all know that the Syrian doctor without proof of qualifications would not be employed by the NHS, BlueBelle. Nobody’s scaremongering.

The lack of paperwork, access to information from the home country and sheer number of arrivals must be an horrendous combination for the Home Office. Of course applications must be dealt with more quickly, but how when there are so many and in the absence of proof of identity?

Not all asylum seekers arrive without proof of identity, some have all their paperwork. It makes no difference they are stuck in substandard accommodation and left whilst the government behemoth grinds incompetently. They cannot discover what stage their application is at. They have no right to ask for or be informed of any progress. They just sit and wait.