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Is it OK to break the law if you are a Tory?

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CvD66 Mon 16-Jan-23 13:12:20

In 1987 Lester Pigott was imprisoned for tax evasion of £3m. Nadhim Zahawi (former chancellor) is having to pay back £3m used a tax evasion process incorrectly. He lied about this process and instructed lawyers to threaten a tax lawyer, who exposed him. Zahawi should resign and then face criminal charges both for the tax evasion and threats. But he’s a Tory….and the BBC aren’t even covering his crime.

ronib Wed 25-Jan-23 14:38:02

Casdon I too hope for anyone quiet, competent and prepared for government so for all our sakes, keep looking.

ronib Wed 25-Jan-23 14:35:32

Casdon he is banging the table jumping up and down about Mr Sunak’s involvement with a Russian when the department in question is headed up not by Rishi Sunak but by Giles Thomson!

Meanwhile I am freezing to death, paying £550 a month for energy, my kids can’t buy an affordable house, childcare is extortionate and the Nhs is collapsing along with everything else.

Get real

Casdon Wed 25-Jan-23 14:28:16

I really think you’re wrong there. His game is playing out pretty well judging by the polls. We need somebody competent, quiet and prepared leading the next government. That’s exactly what is happening now in the Labour Party - preparation. The very last thing Starmer needs to be doing now is showing his cards and banging the table.

ronib Wed 25-Jan-23 14:17:34

Quite frankly Keir Starmer needs to raise his game. There are very serious problems facing this country and is he blissfully unaware of them? If he keeps up this psycho drama , it isn’t a new prime minister we need but an effective opposition! Seriously 😒

ronib Wed 25-Jan-23 14:00:25

Giles Thomson is the civil servant heading up The Office of Financial Sanctions Implementation.

I don’t for one minute imagine that he doesn’t have sufficient power to decide cases on their own merits.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 25-Jan-23 13:28:19

No but I have read he was involved somehow. I must stop reading these things and moving on before I make a note of where I see these things.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 25-Jan-23 13:25:45

I have just read the Open Democracy article, although it doesn’t mention Mr.Sunak, it does mention a treasury department OFSI.

Hard to imagine he was unaware of the legal case.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 25-Jan-23 13:24:51

I also think that this line will be pushed hard over the next few months

PMQs

Starmer: "The Prime Minister's failure to sack [Zahawi]...shows how hopelessly weak he is. He is overwhelmed at every turn...he can't even deal with tax avoiders in his own cabinet. Is he starting to wonder if this job is just too big for him?"

ronib Wed 25-Jan-23 13:20:03

Granny Gravy13 the latest shock horror story is explained by Jessica Elgot ‘Labour asks why Treasury let sanctioned oligarch bring UK libel case’. Today in the Guardian.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 25-Jan-23 13:17:36

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

Listening to PMQs - Wagner Group another scandal that should be closely looked at.

Sunak involved in that.

What makes you think that Mr.Sunak is involved in a Russian Paramilitary Group?

No not involved😄😄😄

The war lord of this group was given help by the U.K. government

The Times report

“The UK government helped the head of Russia’s notorious Wagner Group of pro-Kremlin mercenaries get around its own sanctions to launch a legal attack on a British investigative journalist, it has been alleged.

The incident occurred in the months before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, while Rishi Sunak was chancellor, according to documents published by openDemocracy, a British media outlet that focuses on human rights.”

I read that Sunak was directly involved.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 25-Jan-23 13:09:24

Whitewavemark2

Listening to PMQs - Wagner Group another scandal that should be closely looked at.

Sunak involved in that.

What makes you think that Mr.Sunak is involved in a Russian Paramilitary Group?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 25-Jan-23 12:46:59

Listening to PMQs - Wagner Group another scandal that should be closely looked at.

Sunak involved in that.

ronib Wed 25-Jan-23 12:45:09

Whitewavemark2 South Ruislip is his constituency!

What is wrong with Stewart and Campbell, doesn’t anyone know how to Google?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 25-Jan-23 12:40:57

ronib

South Ruislip needs to change its name to Kiev.

Is that where one of his free houses are?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 25-Jan-23 12:39:56

So that is what paid for his useless visit this week presumably?

Although Stewart and Campbell didn’t seem to know about what it was set up for.

ronib Wed 25-Jan-23 12:38:34

South Ruislip needs to change its name to Kiev.

ronib Wed 25-Jan-23 12:36:00

MaizieD a quick Google and the foundation is to help war torn Ukraine

Whitewavemark2 Wed 25-Jan-23 12:34:47

I haven’t heard of it. But Rory Stewart brought it up in the podcast “The Rest is Politics”.

Johnson is also staying free in a large town house, and a country house, plus other benefits.

What on earth is going on?

MaizieD Wed 25-Jan-23 12:34:24

Thank's for that Dinahmo

When I checked the govt. website earlier I noted that the lowest rate charged is 8.5%. I don't recall the higher rates. Wasn't this part of last year's tax increases, supposedly to pay for Health and Social Care?

Someone whose only source of income was £100k salary would pay £27432 income tax (not taking into account NIC).

Of course, there's no NIC paid on dividend income (NIC s were also increased last year, weren't they?)

Fleurpepper Wed 25-Jan-23 12:32:14

Fleurpepper

Some say we have to wait and trust the 'independent' inquiries in those matters.

Call my cynical but ...

William Shawcross, appointd to investigate Boris Johnson's loan/bribe to appoint BBC Chair, just happens ......

to be the father of Eleanor Shawcross,

who just happens to be the Head of No 10 Policy Unit !

And then they will say, supported by some on GN- just wait, we are having an Independent Enquiry to find out exactly what happened!!!

MaizieD Wed 25-Jan-23 12:30:13

ronib

The £1million to Boris… was Christopher Harborne the donor? Or was that a different gift of £1mil?

Christopher Harborne has donated significant amounts to Richard Tice, Reform Party, Nigel Farage, Brexit party and Boris Johnson definitely given by far the smallest contribution

I have seen it said that the £1million donation was to Johnson's 'Foundation'

Has anyone heard of this Foundation and know what it's for?

ronib Wed 25-Jan-23 12:24:45

The £1million to Boris… was Christopher Harborne the donor? Or was that a different gift of £1mil?

Christopher Harborne has donated significant amounts to Richard Tice, Reform Party, Nigel Farage, Brexit party and Boris Johnson definitely given by far the smallest contribution

Dinahmo Wed 25-Jan-23 12:15:17

MaizieD

^MaizieD I am intrigued to see that you believe share dividends are taxed at 7per cent. If you look at inland revenue figures for the highest band tax payers it’s almost 40 per cent.^

Ooops, so it is. Poor souls...

That's me re-educated blush

Yes but!!

Someone whose only source of income was £100k of dividends would pay £18839.75 in tax. (£2000@ 0%; £35700 @ 7.50%; £49,730 @ 32.50%)

Someone whose only source of income was £100k salary would pay £27432 income tax (not taking into account NIC).

The additional rate starts on income in excess of £150k.

Fleurpepper Wed 25-Jan-23 12:12:49

Some say we have to wait and trust the 'independent' inquiries in those matters.

Call my cynical but ...

William Shawcross, appointd to investigate Boris Johnson's loan/bribe to appoint BBC Chair, just happens ......

to be the father of Eleanor Shawcross,

who just happens to be the Head of No 10 Policy Unit !

Katie59 Wed 25-Jan-23 11:54:14

MaizieD

Katie59

ronib

Whitewavemark2 forget about the Russians … it’s his ex wives and wife more likely?

Not to mention 7 children.

Most of his children adults now, the four from his 2nd marriage are all over 21. There is one acknowledged illegitimate child born 2009 and one suspected b 2010. Why should they be costing him vast sums?

Help to buy a house(s)?.