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The NHS is gone ...

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DaisyAnne Sun 22-Jan-23 22:54:10

About a third of the money going into the NHS pays for privately placed doctors and nurses and the use of private care*. Now the far right of the Tory party is just trying to persuade us that we no longer afford our health care to be "free at the point of need". We still live in a country that is one of the richest in the world. Of course, we can afford it.

We can discuss the systems used in Europe. However, it is the one they use in America that this government wants. Can anyone on this forum say they can afford that? Do these people care about you? These Trumped-up-Conservatives are not the Conservatives of the past. They do not believe in investing their money and working hard to build businesses. Those who did this in the past provided jobs for their communities and were often held in high esteem.

This lot believes only in profit and in that profit going into their pockets and the pockets of their mates, even if it takes fraud to do it. They go into companies, knowing nothing about how they work and invest none of their own money - but they can read a balance sheet. They know what to strip out - often jobs - to give them personally the greatest profit before they go on to the next job. Never mind if they destroy the business in the process. They will be long gone by the time that happens.

"Find the profit in the Health Service" is the game now. This is accompanied by a scarcity of tax paying by high "earners" so that there can be no fight back to keep a health service "free at the point of need" for all.

*Happy to see figures that show this is either too low or too high and estimate.

Dickens Tue 31-Jan-23 18:54:44

MayBee70

I always remember that poor man who was killed by a schizophrenic soon after care in the community began. His wife ran some sort of campaign I believe. It’s still happening because people aren’t being cared for properly.

You are right, people are not being cared for to the level of care they actually need.

The man who my mother 'looked-after' was extremely disruptive and caused other residents a lot of anxiety and stress. I've no idea how dangerous he may have been, and my mother was certainly putting herself at risk. But what was the alternative? Basically, his doctor and those caring for him did very little other than to urge him to take his medication. According to my mother, he wasn't even happy most of the time to be in his home environment. Sometimes, CitC just isn't appropriate. And I don't think it worked at all for this poor man. If it hadn't been for my mother 'on-call', he would've been left entirely to his own devices - she did at least know how to deal with his outbursts having worked in a similar environment at one time.

DaisyAnne Tue 31-Jan-23 21:07:51

This government wouldn't commit to the cost but I hope another party might Dickins. I just have to hang on to the thought that we can have a government for all the people after the last 12 years.

I think whatever care there is in the community we have to recognise some people will still have to be in hospital. If properly funded the idea is to keep out those who really don't need to be there so those that do can be treated.

Dealing with the staff shortages will not happen overnight. I cannot believe what this government has done to us and I don't envy Starmer and his team if they do get in. God knows what they will find. But none of that stops these being a good idea if properly carried out.

Dickens Tue 31-Jan-23 21:49:50

DaisyAnne

This government wouldn't commit to the cost but I hope another party might Dickins. I just have to hang on to the thought that we can have a government for all the people after the last 12 years.

I think whatever care there is in the community we have to recognise some people will still have to be in hospital. If properly funded the idea is to keep out those who really don't need to be there so those that do can be treated.

Dealing with the staff shortages will not happen overnight. I cannot believe what this government has done to us and I don't envy Starmer and his team if they do get in. God knows what they will find. But none of that stops these being a good idea if properly carried out.

... I agree with everything you say.

We are desperately in need of a government that has the welfare of the country as a whole at its heart, one that shows some compassion for the impoverished and also encourages entrepreneurialism, achievement, etc. It shouldn't be that difficult for a party if it is committed to a more egalitarian nation - although undoing the damage brought about by years of Tory government is going to be a huge problem to begin unravelling.

I think people are without hope at the moment - we need a real sea-change. Other European countries are struggling, too, but I think we should still look at the models of countries like Norway, for example, which combines Capitalism with Social Welfare and invests in its people. Although of course, that country too is not without problems - but at least most of its citizens have hope for the future.