Sometimes I am ashamed

Quote Mollygo Wed 25-Jan-23 02:59:59
Re your posts about ‘authentic selves’ I have a question about this item that was on the news tonight.
A transgender woman has been found guilty of raping two women in attacks carried out before she changed gender
Isla Bryson committed the crimes in Clydebank and Glasgow in 2016 and 2019 while known as Adam Graham
The High Court in Glasgow heard that the 31-year-old has now started the process of gender re-assignment
Can you explain ‘authentic self’? Which authentic self was Adam/Isla when he was raping the females ?
In your view, should this male person be placed in a female prison unit?
I was horrified but not surprised Mollygo I understand he is indeed to be sent to a women’s prison.
At the risk of being accused of being flippant, if he is a woman he really needs to find a different place to keep his tissues and lipstick .

“My country right or wrong”?

I've just been listening to a medley of Scots tunes on Classic FM. It's Burns Night, of course.😊 Last night there was a programme on TV about the impact that migration has had, and continues to have, on Scotland

So sentimental old me realised that I'll never be ashamed of my country. We've had all sorts of things happen in the past; massacres, clearances, selling out of the people by a Parcel of Rogues, you name it, we've had it.

So, will I be ashamed of the country of my birth because some politicians do something I don't approve of and a bunch of bams make an unpleasant sign? Nope. We've come through worse. A bit of perspective is needed, I think.

We do have Teals, though- do you have those?

Never heard of terfs. Never heard of Karen’s, either until I came on gransnet. We live sheltered lives down here, obviously.

Re your posts about ‘authentic selves’ I have a question about this item that was on the news tonight.
A transgender woman has been found guilty of raping two women in attacks carried out before she changed gender.
Isla Bryson committed the crimes in Clydebank and Glasgow in 2016 and 2019 while known as Adam Graham.^
The High Court in Glasgow heard that the 31-year-old has now started the process of gender re-assignment.
Can you explain ‘authentic self’? Which authentic self was Adam/Isla when he was raping the females?
In your view, should this male person be placed in a female prison unit?

I will never understand how anyone can be so invested in a cause they can't see how abusive their behaviour is.
You obviously don’t see how your own behaviour can be seen as abusive, when you are so invested in inferring that people you don’t know are terfs, so your admission of lack of understanding is accurate.

If the agenda is to have me banned, I am sure enough people will report to achieve that so go ahead and I hope it makes you happy...
I’ve never attempted to have you banned. What makes you feel you’re that important?
It does concern me that banning others might be on your agenda, since you mention banning twice in one post, and I have been warned about you previously.

Quotes a deleted post. Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk guidelines.

And I have said frequently I only discuss these issues here on gransnet

Literally no time for other forums

I was replying to the words in the signs of the OP

I won't try to change my fate on this one, perhaps moderators will see the context, perhaps not but your comment made the way forward clear galaxy

So let's see what happens

Maybe it's time, and I almost made it to actual grandma hood too

Damn lol

It's used frequently to describe GC feminists, people are called terfs for holding the belief that you cant change sex, that women need single sex spaces etc. In fact if you wont say the magic words you are usually called a terf. No I wont be reporting, that is not really my thing.

Oh dear

Show me where I called anyone that, I sincerely did not

If you want to use that to get me banned from gransnet, then please do so but let the record stand now in a comment that won't be deleted that I have never and would never call anyone here that and didn't think anyone here had the same goals as that. To have trans people eradicated from society or "excluded" by any means

If the agenda is to have me banned, I am sure enough people will report to achieve that so go ahead and I hope it makes you happy...

I won't lose any (more) sleep tonight over it

The problem is, VS your comment about JKR was sneery. It fits perfectly your post
I do worry when people are so invested in a cause they must create scapegoats as an outlet.
You chose JKR for your scapegoat. Does that make you feel good?

Show me the vile extremists-like those attacking JKR, those carrying ‘behead’ posters attacking females, who do that from the female side, since you say you’ve seen on both sides.

We can’t have a constructive discussion with people who won’t stand up and condemn the actions of some TIM and violent TRA as wrong, and admit that they are harming not only females, but also the whole trans movement.
We can’t have a constructive discussion, where people refuse to do that, and hide behind claims of transphobia.

What human rights do transpeople not have that non-trans people do? It's a very simple question that should be very easy to answer, and yet I've never seen an answer........... is that because there are no common rights transpeople are denied? If it's extra rights that are being sought then that should be clearly stated. Being pro women and girls is not to be anti-trans unless to be pro-trans is explicitly anti-women and girls.

MN even

God it takes ages to find talk guidelines on MM, I thought terf was one of the words they had banned if aimed directly at people.

Unless you want to apologise for calling me "sneery" doodledog

I do worry when people are so invested in a cause they must create scapegoats as an outlet.

This goes out to all the regulars if we can have a polite constructive discussion, let me know

If not my boundaries dictate this is not a thread for me

Lol my point is, if I really must repeat it again

Two wrongs make no rights

I've seen vile behaviour from extremists on both sides and wouldn't align myself with either.

I'm completely only here for those innocents caught in the crossfire while this war rages

Except when I'm not here

OK bye

VioletSky

doodledog

The answer is in the comment you quoted...

Never mind

Not sticking around for nastiness

Just came to say that the extreme on both sides of the debate ie:

Trans extremusts making violent comments to anyone

Terf extremists making violent comments and trying to prevent trans people accessing medical treatment for gender dysphoria or being out in public at all

Are both just not thinking about the innocent people they are harming which includes women, lesbians and children

I just can't understand either

Ah. So my asking about which human rights are being denied, and what is meant by 'authentic' in this context is 'nasty', is it? And a cue for a flounce?

Nothing to do with the fact that you can't answer?

T s n my hs.

volver

That's me out then.

What with me being above average intelligence, and all.

Slf prs s n rcmmndtn

It's getting late to post against the wishes of autocorrect!

doodledog

The answer is in the comment you quoted...

Never mind

Not sticking around for nastiness

Just came to say that the extreme on both sides of the debate ie:

Trans extremusts making violent comments to anyone

Terf extremists making violent comments and trying to prevent trans people accessing medical treatment for gender dysphoria or being out in public at all

Are both just not thinking about the innocent people they are harming which includes women, lesbians and children

I just can't understand either

As I say VS when I hear that word it is usually accompanied by threats of violence.

VioletSky

Mollygo
But no one here is a terf right? No one here wants to exclude trans people from having basic human rights? No one here is denying trans people the right to be their authentic selves.
That’s right, but do explain trans ‘authentic self’ and how that differs from any other person’s authentic self.
It doesn't, that's the point I'm making about trans exclusionary radical feminism

But I've never heard anyone here claim to be trans exclusionary

Which is who I thought the term applies too.
So your point is ?

Mollygo

But no one here is a terf right? No one here wants to exclude trans people from having basic human rights? No one here is denying trans people the right to be their authentic selves.
That’s right, but do explain trans ‘authentic self’ and how that differs from any other person’s authentic self.

It doesn't, that's the point I'm making about trans exclusionary radical feminism

But I've never heard anyone here claim to be trans exclusionary

Which is who I thought the term applies too

That's me out then.

What with me being above average intelligence, and all.

I know you knew what she meant. I just wanted to describe the experience many of us have had with the word terf.