Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

Adam/Isla is standing up for his rights and aligning himself with children who may be suffering from gender dysphoria.

In arguing agains NS’s U-turn he says,
“It’s not just me, it’s for children who are coming out and who are suffering the worst from other children and their parents which is disgusting.”
Does he see himself as a rôle model for the children and an example of what being trans is about?

Alan Smyth/Smith like obfuscation too.
In an interview with LBC at Westminster, Mr Smith was asked if he thought trans people who are convicted of sex crimes should be in women's jails. He looked away, then replied: "I've nothing to say on that.”

He branded the row over the prison placements of trans double-rapist Isla Bryson - and other male-bodied sex criminals - as “a great big hoopla”, and said there needed to be “a sense of proportion".

And Mr Smith said people needed to remember the criminals who are “having their identities discussed in ways that are really pretty unpleasant.”
More unpleasant than being raped by a man, who then says he’s a woman? Really?

If you would like policies encouraging staff to use preferred pronouns removed, would you also like policies removed that say staff do not need to tell parents a young person's sexuality if expressed by the young person? Because there are still many parents out there who would abuse or disown their own child for being LGB.
How many times does it need to be said that conflating trans issues with those of gay people is missing the point? Why would staff report something a child says about their developing sexuality to a parent anyway? And why would the fact that someone doesn’t support affirmation of ‘gender’ change by teachers support such an intrusion into children’s privacy? There is a huge difference between going along with (and affirming) a child’s claim to be ‘in the wrong body’ and betraying a confidence about their sexuality. Arguably neither has anything to do with the school anyway.

I don’t know how schools can argue on one hand to remove self-expression from children when it comes to uniforms, make-up, hair styles and so on, yet see so-called ‘gender’ expression as something that has to be indulged.

Yes VioletSky I read it, and because of what FarNorth quoted in particular - “before developing a new resource” was happy to sign.

What's your view on the actual topic of the thread, VS?
Dangerous male prisoners being placed in females' prisons?

"Calling on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to withdraw the 'Supporting transgender young people in schools: guidance for Scottish schools' resource, and await the outcome of the Cass Review before developing a new resource."

(my underlining)

The intention is not to leave nothing in place VS, as you'd see on the petition :

"Background information

Dr Cass said in her interim report on how to improve services, provided by the NHS, for children and young people experiencing issues with their gender identity, “it is important to acknowledge that it is not a neutral act” to socially transition a child, there are different views on the benefits versus the harms and ‘better information is needed about the outcomes’.

The school guidance encourages teachers to affirm the social transition of children who say they are trans, to use their chosen pronouns and to avoid misgendering, alongside changing pupils' names and their sex on official school records. We are concerned about this affirmation first approach and the risks it poses to vulnerable children. Emerging evidence advises against this approach and recommends 'watchful waiting'.

Referrals to the Sandyford Clinic have rapidly increased from 37 in 2013 to almost 300 in 2018. In our view, there is little doubt that the schools guidance and affirmation first approach will contribute to further increases in referrals."

The cass report is clear that social affirmation is not a neutral act, NHS guidelines now reflect that.
I need to look at the petition in detail but the cass report is nothing to do with sexuality.

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I can't believe people would sign to remove this and leave nothing in place. Have you even read it?

If you would like policies encouraging staff to use preferred pronouns removed, would you also like policies removed that say staff do not need to tell parents a young person's sexuality if expressed by the young person? Because there are still many parents out there who would abuse or disown their own child for being LGB.

Disgusted at how blind this petition is and relieved it is almost over with very few responses and hopefully less from actual parents of young people.

Good article, grannydarkhair.

It’s gone very quiet on here from the voices of ‘trans support’. I was expecting lectures on how intersectional feminists believe that it’s unfair to men not to give them access to female criminals, and how Ms Sturgeon has got it all wrong after getting everything right for so long, but nothing.

Twitter aside, which was never the mouthpiece of widespread reason, I haven’t seen or heard much of a defence in the media either. In fact, articles like the one in the link are everywhere. It’s almost as though commentators have felt unable to speak their minds until now.

Good wee article by James Kirkup.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/nicola-sturgeon-and-the-vindication-of-the-terfs/

I’ve also signed it, two of my g’children are still at school so it’s a pertinent worry for me. I’ve also shared it on Fc’bk and Twitter. It’s the first I’ve seen this one mentioned, it can’t have been shared/advertised very much.

I've signed, and the number of signatories went up by one . They don't seem to mind where you come from. I'd like to see the rule applied in England too.

I don't think you need a Scottish postcode Doodledog.
I don't see a mention of signatories but it does say the person starting the petition doesn't have to live in Scotland.

petitions.parliament.scot/help

Why not give it a go and see what happens?

Happy to sign, but do you need a Scottish postcode?

Signed.

Btw, I'll just put this here -

Please sign and publicise this petition - its closing date is tomorrow, 2nd Feb.
It's to ask ScotGov to withdraw the schools guidance re 'trans' pupils.

petitions.parliament.scot/petitions/PE2001

I hope Ash Regan and others are talking to Sturgeon & the rest of their party about this.

Btw, they repeatedly say that self-id was in the SNP manifesto - Alyn Smith said it very recently.
It wasn't, tho.
Here is page 33 of the 2021 SNP manifesto showing what was said about gender reassignment .

Absolutely, FN. The underlying principles of the trans movement are very misogynistic.

I wonder whether this will give Some People pause for thought, when they accuse people who are genuinely interested in women's rights of being transphobic? Can someone like NS go from being an 'ally' to a non-ally overnight? How does that work? Isn't what she has said and done the same as women like me, who have consistently said that we support the rights of transpeople to live how they choose, but not the rights of male people to be in women's spaces, be they prisons, hospitals or changing rooms? If not, what are the differences?

Clearly IB being a man is the reason for the move but Sturgeon, and others, don't want to say that.

The points you make, Doodledog, are the same points that would be made by those saying that Sturgeon is no longer a trans ally.
It's just that they want a different decision to come from them.

It's astonishing that "Transwomen are women" has been so hammered into the consciousness of many people that they defend the 'rights' of rapists and other violent men yet completely disregard the rights of real women.

Good points Doodledog Rose West committed heinous offences against women and girls but was housed in a woman's prison. Myra Hindley committed heinous crimes against children and adolescents of both sexes but was put in a women's prison. Neither was even considered to be housed in a men's prison. What is the difference between these women and a transwoman offender? It does come down to what Nicola Sturgeon has had to concede even if she shied away from actually saying it ie transwomen are not women, they are transwomen and there are some circumstances where they are not to be treated the same as biological women.
Transwoman Tiffany Scott had received approval to be moved to a woman's prison even though their violence was evident in the male estate and at one time it took a huge number of prison officers to restrain him. This is now on hold and very unlikely to happen, but the "risk assessments" NS referred to don't seem to be very reliable given the original decision.

I would like someone to explain the logic of saying that no, Isla Bryson should not be in a women's jail, but it is ok for intact transwomen to be in female wards in hospital, for instance. If we accept that IB is a risk, we need to ask why that is.

Because he is a sex offender?
What about all the female sex offenders we keep hearing about? Where should they be sent?

Because his offences were against women? What about others who have offended against women?

Or is it because he is a man? What about the other men who say they are women? Why is IB different from them? If the answer is the fact that he is a sex offender, and most men are not, then what about the female sex offenders as mentioned above?

If IB is deemed to be a man who has used the trans loophole to get into a female space, what is stopping other men from doing the same?

These are the questions that many, many women have been asking all along, and whereas it is a disgrace that it has taken the rape of two women to bring this to more general attention, it is a good thing that it has, IMO.

Sparklefizz

Voted.... but who are the 1% who said yes?????

Signed-but I could guess what sort of people said yes. Some of them are very active on Twitter, still postulating about all trans and refusing to see that the trouble for all trans has been caused by some of the trans themselves.

No she's not a transwoman. Just backed the wrong horse!

Is Nicola a trans herself ? Just wondering.

A point is raised in that video, that some trans people are asking "Does the change of mind mean Sturgeon is no longer a trans ally?"

If true, those people are certainly not prepared to admit that all transwomen are male, and are not even prepared to admit that some transwomen can be dangerous to women, whether or not their claimed belief is genuine.