Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

So why isn't it referred too as 'sex at birth' then?

Apparently so. Newborn babies tend not to express a different opinion.

varian

The Scottish Prisons will now admit inmates in accordance with their gender registered at birth.

And this time does gender at birth really mean sex at birth?

The Scottish Prisons will now admit inmates in accordance with their gender registered at birth.

Dare we begin to believe the nonsense is being successfully challenged. That victims giving evidence won’t have to refer to their attacker as she, talk about her penis.
The news link Doodle posted sets it out in words anyone can understand and no one can challenge

Just announced that whilst they review the situation all new admissions will be allocated to prisons according to their sex.

Will it? I don't know if it will be recorded as committed by Isla Bryson (female) or Adam Graham (male), and if female how that will square with the charge of rape.

Look at this headline, though
news.stv.tv/east-central/andrew-miller-appears-in-court-charged-with-abduction-of-11-year-old-girl

It is unequivocal - Man charged with abduction. 'He is also known as Amy'. No pretence any more - we are making progress.

Recorded as a crime committed by a male, obviously.

He is not factually anything else, however much he may wish to be. Emotions and feelings are not facts.

There is no point in keeping data of anything that is segregated by so-called 'gender', if gender is an optional state.

How will the crime be recorded though?

It will be recorded as male DNA.

There is no point in keeping data of anything that is segregated by so-called 'gender', if gender is an optional state.

Aside from crime, figures about pay, poverty, access to education, sexuality (eg has the number of lesbians increased now that straight men can identify as such when they want to continue having sex with women?) and many more categories become pointless, and crucially, there is no way to see where discrimination against women is happening. Are transpeople 'the most marginalised group in society', or could that be women? How can we possibly know, now that we don't exist as a discrete group?

Look what happened at the Brits. At first I thought that was a harmless development (the 'best male' and 'best female' categories were removed last year, and the award became 'gender neutral'). To me, it seemed as though music is not gendered, or sex-based in the way that sport should be, so I was relaxed about the categories merging. But the reason that the women's category was brought in in the first place was that men always won before then, and guess what - it went back to business as before, with no women nominees. We need separate, sex-based categories.

Back to rape - as legally rape requires a penis, there should be no question of it being recorded as a female crime. To do wo would be deeply misogynist.

Dickens

Mollygo

Dickens

eazybee
The Scottish police arrested the person who abducted an 11 year old girl, and described him as a 'man presenting as a woman', which seems a perfectly adequate and acceptable description; no other information necessary.

It is an adequate description.

How will the crime be recorded though?
Good question. If they say a man then it ought to be recorded as a man’s crime, even with the added information.
In fact, if all such crimes were recorded as a male crime with the added information, that would then give some data of how often this happens.

We need crime statistics - all crimes, even minor ones, not just rape - that give an accurate picture of who is committing which crime. Otherwise, what is the point of keeping such records.

How will he be recorded on the DNA Database? Obviously male but with an amendment?
If recorded as male and he commits another crime but is presenting as a woman, then that could cause delay and confusion in finding and apprehending him.

Mollygo

Dickens

eazybee
The Scottish police arrested the person who abducted an 11 year old girl, and described him as a 'man presenting as a woman', which seems a perfectly adequate and acceptable description; no other information necessary.

It is an adequate description.

How will the crime be recorded though?
Good question. If they say a man then it ought to be recorded as a man’s crime, even with the added information.
In fact, if all such crimes were recorded as a male crime with the added information, that would then give some data of how often this happens.

We need crime statistics - all crimes, even minor ones, not just rape - that give an accurate picture of who is committing which crime. Otherwise, what is the point of keeping such records.

Exactly, Mollygo.
It's time to stop pandering to transactivists and be honest about which sex everyone is, regardless of how they present themselves.

Dickens

eazybee
The Scottish police arrested the person who abducted an 11 year old girl, and described him as a 'man presenting as a woman', which seems a perfectly adequate and acceptable description; no other information necessary.

It is an adequate description.

How will the crime be recorded though?
Good question. If they say a man then it ought to be recorded as a man’s crime, even with the added information.
In fact, if all such crimes were recorded as a male crime with the added information, that would then give some data of how often this happens.

eazybee

The Scottish police arrested the person who abducted an 11 year old girl, and described him as a 'man presenting as a woman', which seems a perfectly adequate and acceptable description; no other information necessary.

It is an adequate description.

How will the crime be recorded though?

The Scottish police arrested the person who abducted an 11 year old girl, and described him as a 'man presenting as a woman', which seems a perfectly adequate and acceptable description; no other information necessary.

We are often told that we are making a fuss about nothing because gender and sex are different things - and then we're expected to accept 'gender' as if it is sex.
The most horrendous examples being women's prisons and women's hospital wards.

Have listened to both the videos posted by Far North some very powerful speeches from the women in Glasgow. I first became aware of Kellie Jay Keen over on MN, she's a brave woman has, like others, who stick their heads above the parapet received a lot of on line abuse, and I believe she mentioned once that even her school age children have been on the receiving end of that

"We have become very 'woke'"a BBC presenter said yesterday about a different issue. I agree we have when some politicians confirm that A transwoman is a woman.
When will it be realised that a man can never be a woman. They can live as a woman and few have issues with that but allowing men to say that they are women can only lead to some dangerous situations.

Doodledog

The next move will be to change the definition of rape so it doesn’t have to be with a penis. There have been calls for that on here in the past. Anything, anything other than admit the heresy that men are not women, that some men are dangerous to women, and that calling them women doesn’t alter that.

Good video FN

Good post Doodledog.

A man identifying as a woman - is a man identifying as a woman, in whatever form that means to him.

lemsip

title of thread needs changing!

Start a new thread if you like lemsip.

Glasgow -Let Women Speak event on Sunday 5th Feb

Here's a 20 min video of highlights
youtu.be/bJ8ygetXvhM

And here's a video of the whole event - which is highlights all the way through!
youtu.be/5jfD27NfD5U
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The next move will be to change the definition of rape so it doesn’t have to be with a penis. There have been calls for that on here in the past. Anything, anything other than admit the heresy that men are not women, that some men are dangerous to women, and that calling them women doesn’t alter that.

Good video FN

What to lemsip? Man found guilty? We aren’t there yet sadly

title of thread needs changing!

FarNorth
Thank you.