Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

So - how is this person going to be recorded on the NDNAD?

Thanks I needed a laugh

I can't with this lol

Lol

Perhaps a gender neutral society will make that easier for everyone

VioletSky you might advocate the above but I certainly do not.

I am proud of being a women.

I am proud that the majority of female bodies can grow a baby human inside until it is ready to survive out of the womb.

I am proud of the way my forebears fought against misogyny leading to votes for women and equality in the work place.

Gender neutral society is a fairy tale pushed by misogynists to put women back in the kitchen and the bedroom

Where is the problem?
Woman has a vagina.
Man has a penis.
It's as simple as that!!

Wow

Lol I'm bisexual! Where does that idea come from?

I'm the B in the LGBTQ, a community I love

I'm not agreeing I'm the one saying it

Well I guess you can join the list then

So you agree that gender stereotypes are wrong Violet?
So that’s what we should challenge, eh?
But, I’m not going to engage any further with your with your ‘genes and hormones’ business.
I find your views deeply homophobic.
But then I also think that you don’t have the foggiest what you are talking about.
It’s clear that you want to ‘be kind’

Say it tilll you are blue in the face but they exist and they need eradicating

Non binary people are trying to do that but still not being allowed gender neutral pronouns

Butch lesbians and masculine appearing women are being bullied in public toilets for not looking the right gender

Children are being bullied in school as gay or trans based on not conforming to gender norms

Women also perpetuate this idea by saying trans women don't look female and pointing out masculine features declaring they can "always tell"

So fight it, I do but denying that they exist is like saying that there isn't a gender pay gap or a "pink tax"

It's real and it needs eradicating

However there will always be men and women and differences in our physical features and capabilities

So that won't stop trans people from wanting to be have physical features like a vagina, a penis or breasts that they werent born with because they feel that is what they should have been born with.

Because its likely that there are different genes and hormones at stages of development driving this

Perhaps a gender neutral society will make that easier for everyone

FannyCornforth

There are no gender norms!!!
That’s the whole point 🤦‍♀️

If you are a woman who is sexually attracted to women; likes football; loves pink; loves doing her makeup; is into STEM - you are still a woman

If you are a man who fancies men; likes Jane Austen; wears a skirt: you are still a man.

All permutations are valid.
But if you are born with a fanny you are a woman
And if you are born with a penis you are a bloke

This makes my brain hurt
It’s so bloody simple

Happy in the knowledge that I cannot this without attack, transwomen are exactly that.

In addition to the excuse of fake trans we are now offered this

some men fetishise women and masquerade as trans

as an excuse for misogynistic TW, those we are assured are indistinguishable from authentic trans.
What next, I wonder?

The greatest harm to the lives of transpeople doesn’t come from females.
It comes from those TW who use their authentic selves to lie, cheat and harm females and thus impact on the public image of ALL transpeople.

There are no gender norms!!!
That’s the whole point 🤦‍♀️

FannyCornforth

I think that you are more GC than you care to admit Violet
And thank you for your answer

No, trans women are women, trans people are valid, there is a reason this is happening and one day we will find a way forward together and families won't be broken, no one will be abused on the streets for not conforming to gender norms and discrimination will be a thing of the past against any marginalised group.

I'll never stop fighting for equality.

But at the end of the day 90% of my time on these threads has become defending myself from stances I don't have and personal comments about me, my ability to do my job well as a TA and all sorts of things

I would like a solution based discussion and I gave up fighting for one and fighting for trans people not to be taken down for things they are not responsible for

The only thing my being here highlights is just how far people are willing to go for a cause by absolutely twisting things and being personal

Occasionally I run out of energy for that and this is one such time

I'm done for now

I think that you are more GC than you care to admit Violet
And thank you for your answer

No, I can't but I think it can be safeguarded and I think we need more support for transpeople with better qualified staff and an actual process for trans people to change gender safely without mistakes.

Everything that has been "acheived" so far is the opposite. People were happy about travistick rather than acknowledging it needed reform

I've never been in favour of self ID at any point. I think some men fetishise women and masquerade as trans and that is a risk and we are seeing that it is a genuine risk

I don't agree with blaming trans people for this in any way

This is not new, I have said this from the beginning

VS.
My principles are my principles and if you can't treat others as individuals and act as individuals that's your own downfall.

You accuse then don’t want to reply. That’s fine by me.

Violet hopefully to simplify matters.

Please can you explain how, in light of the Gender Recognition Act, can we spot / legislate for / etc etc a genuine transwoman and a ‘fake’ one?

I apologise if I am being over simplistic

I'm not going to dignify you with any more answers anywhere from this point onwards and same to anyone who can't keep things fair and honest in discussion without getting personal

It's just not worth my time to continuously have everything I say twisted

But you put your personal principles on the thread VS. That’s a bit two faced if you don’t you think?
I don’t personally dislike you. I don’t know you. Disliking someone’s posts is allowed, and you evidently dislike mine.

I'm ignoring that Mollygo as it has no relation to anything I have actually said and can you please stop bringing your personal dislike of me to other topics as well, it's probably very obvious to others

VS
My principles are my principles and they don’t include supporting group or individual misogynists, or your newly identified fake trans in their attacks on females and their purposeful damage of the lives of genuine trans people.
My principles don’t support the claims of people who use their authentic selves to perpetrate rape as males, then demand to be imprisoned in women’s prisons.
VS, if your principles disagree with my principles on these matters, then as you say,
that’s your downfall

NB Are you saying that ALL TIM who, as their authentic selves attack females or cheat or lie to harm females are fake trans?
You introduced the appellation * fake trans* unless I’m mistaken. Would you like to clarify what you actually mean by that term?

Absolutely, totally brilliant Jane (and Eric) ⭐️

The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command
George Orwell, 1984

My principles matter to me.

I do not put them aside for any cause. I've never called a rapist a she and I've never expected anyone to, especially their victims.

My principles might make me unpopular with both GC and some trans people but I will stick to them accross the board.

What I won't do is mindlessly follow ideas or people that are going my direction no matter how it is expressed or others are treated. I'm an intersectional feminist and I have no qualms disagreeing with other intersecrional feminist.

My principles are my principles and if you can't treat others as individuals and act as individuals that's your own downfall

Galaxy

Referring to rapists as she is extraordinarily damaging to any cause. I am not sure it is the gender critical 'cause' that has been damaged in the last couple of days.

It's not possible. It's an oxymoron.