Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

I haven't followed this thread, the last few days, so apologies if this has already been posted.

Mr Menno, Nicola Sturgeon and 'Everybody's Talking At Me' 🎵🎶🎵

youtu.be/VR6ECKmN-lY

It seems the Scottish Police are now fed up of pretending that criminal men are women.

archive.ph/2023.02.08-114846/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/02/08/police-scotland-make-arresting-case-leader-misalignment/
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paddyann54

Adam Graham RAPED when he was still living as a man,therefore he should have been tried as a man.Simple.Why do I get the feeling this has been spun simply to cause trouble for the Scottish Government ,now another transgender person accused of abducting a child.
Bit of a coincidence eh.

I suppose you all saw the reports on "Sir" Starmer meeting with Trans in WM last night and promising to reform trans legislation in line with most of Europe? The victim mentality on here wont like that ...but how will you stop it from happening

Spun? What are you talking about?

Do you think if Adam Graham had already 'transitioned' before rapung two women, that he should be in a women's prison?

Born male, stays male for always.

You really think an innocent cross-dressing man has been framed by the Scottish Police in order to make ScotGov look bad?

What do you think the real facts of that were then, Paddyann?
Did the police not find the girl at that man's house?

Yes that's been a process going back years in terms of gender critical views, the Forstater case etc.

Plus (premature posting there) the fact that the situation has brought the subject out of the closet and it is now permissible for people to express gender critical views on mainstream media. Which is great, IMO, as there can now be a proper debate.

Agreed. it's the timing of the case juxtaposed with the GRA amendment that is of its time. And the reaction of SNP supporters/floating voters.

Women have been talking about men in womens prisons for years. Karen White was one hideous example. If you think this is a new subject because if Scotland then you would be wrong.

the victim mentality on here

Would you like to elaborate, paddyann?

I'm not a regular contributor to these threads but I confess to being confused as to who are the victims on GN.

I suppose you all saw the reports on "Sir" Starmer meeting with Trans in WM last night and promising to reform trans legislation in line with most of Europe? The victim mentality on here wont like that ...but how will you stop it from happening

I didn't, but I am the first to concede that Keir Starmer (the 'Sir' was earned fair and square, btw) appears to have been captured by the trans lobby, and I know that a lot of women will struggle to vote Labour as a result. It's one of the reasons why the Scottish situation is so interesting* - if the SNP loses support over this, maybe the LP will take note and start talking sense.

*the other is that I have a lot of Scottish connections and care about what happens up there.

"I have a cunning plan"

But, paddyann, if Nicola Sturgeon had stated that, as you have, and said he should be tried as a man and sent to a male prison as a male rapist then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Simple

Do you think he did this simply to cause trouble for the Scottish Government? He's more complex than even we thought, then.

Why do I get the feeling this has been spun simply to cause trouble for the Scottish Government ,now another transgender person accused of abducting a child.
Bit of a coincidence eh

Do you think that is yet another set-up to discredit the Scottish Government?
What about the child involved?

Paddyann, you can’t seriously bern suggesting the transgender person accused of abducting a child is sone fiendish English plot against the Scottish government

Adam Graham RAPED when he was still living as a man,therefore he should have been tried as a man.Simple.Why do I get the feeling this has been spun simply to cause trouble for the Scottish Government ,now another transgender person accused of abducting a child.
Bit of a coincidence eh.

I suppose you all saw the reports on "Sir" Starmer meeting with Trans in WM last night and promising to reform trans legislation in line with most of Europe? The victim mentality on here wont like that ...but how will you stop it from happening

VS
Why would any decent person associate the word trans with criminals

Well. . . Could be something to do with the actions of some TW or the violence of TRA against females.

So according to you, anyone who has read or heard about Adam/Isla et al, or the recent episode if the man in Galashiels, or Karen White or the other cheats (unless you don’t see cheating as a criminal offence) or other TW who hit the headlines because of their misogynistic claims and thus associates the word TW is not decent.

Or anyone whose only knowledge of TW is what they’ve heard or read about the crimes committed by TW or the claims by rapists that they are suddenly ’women’, are not ‘decent’.

That’s a good one even for you VS! But go ahead (I’m sure you will).
Let me know when you are willing to take responsibility and do better.

I'll take a break for a bit because it's all thoroughly pointless and damaging to women who need people to speak for them and their rights with honesty and integrity and no bias

None of us are achieving that here

Let me know when you are willing to take responsibility and do better

This is entirely dishonest now, we have rewriting history and pretending people haven't said untrue things about other people... without apology when it's pointed out too

I don't know how people successfully navigate relationships at all with this sort of behaviour except with others willing to tow the same line

It's all there in black and white

Not really my problem though

Smileless2012

I don't know what you mean when you say it's accepted you haven't said any of those things VS. Are you referring to an earlier post of mine in which I asked you what you meant by them and who was being mean to them?

I noticed that you responded @ 13.29 with except I haven't said that but if you look at your post yesterday @ 19.32 you'll see that you posted Knowing that 38% of people use caps for emphasis and STILL being mean to them.

Oh well, 62% of people think using caps is shouting (apparently, who knows who came up with that figure) so we don't have to acknowledge the posts of the 38% who use it as emphasis except to tell them they are rude for shouting... even though statistically they may not be.

That's a logic riddle you have created for yourself I'm afraid

Personally I would use context to figure it out for myself as I prefer a common sense approach

I'd also be consistent if I believed it was shouting... if a person whose views I agreed with uses caps for emphasis, for example

I don't know why it is so important to you but hope this helps

Read back for context.

Mollygo

VS are you saying that people don’t associate the word trans with all the negative publicity caused by the lying, the cheating, the misogynistic actions, the violence, the claim by male rapists that they are suddenly women, the support of those actions rather than the condemnation, rather than associating it with unobtrusive trans?

Yes

Why would any decent person associate the word trans with criminals?

Fear or hatred I would guess, both would need support to know better.

Also just because someone isn't condemning something to you personally or somewhere in the public eye, doesn't mean they don't. That's a massive unfair assumption

Trans people are entitled to a private life and don't need to expose themselves to hate speech to apologise for the actions of criminals

I am on this thread

I have condemned the actions of criminals

They disgust me so much I'm willing for them to lose their rights.

Yet you still repeat it to me over and over and over

Why?

Aveline

Oh dear. The man charged in connection with the 11 year old girl missing in Galashiels is transgender.
She has been found which is great.

I'm pleased she's been found, and hope she's ok.

I'm assuming it is accepted now that I haven't said any of those things.

You know what they say about those who assume?
An assumption is when you decide that what you say is true because that’s what you want, so assume away.

Thank goodness she's been found.

Aveline

Oh dear. The man charged in connection with the 11 year old girl missing in Galashiels is transgender.
She has been found which is great.

Which will be another item of negative publicity.

I don't know what you mean when you say it's accepted you haven't said any of those things VS. Are you referring to an earlier post of mine in which I asked you what you meant by them and who was being mean to them?

I noticed that you responded @ 13.29 with except I haven't said that but if you look at your post yesterday @ 19.32 you'll see that you posted Knowing that 38% of people use caps for emphasis and STILL being mean to them.

VS are you saying that people don’t associate the word trans with all the negative publicity caused by the lying, the cheating, the misogynistic actions, the violence, the claim by male rapists that they are suddenly women, the support of those actions rather than the condemnation, rather than associating it with unobtrusive trans?