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Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

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Iam64 Wed 25-Jan-23 08:34:52

Apologies for my technical inability to link, maybe some one will.
This individual says they were confused from age 4 about gender identity. S/he has been taking hormones and told the court s/he wants ‘all the surgery the nhs can give’. Defence council argued there are three vulnerable women in the case, his client and the women. The defendant pleaded not guilt, arguing the sex was consensual. Both women gave evidence that they resisted, told him no but his strength overcame resistance. The jury clearly believe the women.
He’s ric to a women’s prison, but will be kept in solitude.
We need prison facilities for these kind of offenders. I understand they’d be vulnerable in men’s prisons but they should not be in women’s prison.

Goldencity Wed 25-Jan-23 14:50:17

There is a petition to parliament asking that the equality act be updated to say that “sex” means your biological sex, not your preferred “gender identity “.

I’m not sure if I’m allowed to give a direct link to the petition here, so I’m linking to the Mumsnet thread about it.

The petition stands at around 74,000, at 100,000 it will be debated by parliament.

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www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4668426-petition-update-the-equality-act-to-make-clear-the-characteristic-sex-is-biological-sex?page

Callistemon21 Wed 25-Jan-23 14:06:59

If a transwoman later develops prostate problems (quite likely as the person ages) or even prostate cancer then could that be dismissed if the person insists that they are an authentic female?

Smileless2012 Wed 25-Jan-23 13:56:25

As things stand you probably could HPQ.

It beggars belief that that clause was not included in the Bill and I've yet to see a coherent explanation of how trans gender's are being suppressed.

HousePlantQueen Wed 25-Jan-23 13:51:21

This very case illustrates one of the clauses which campaigners wanted to have included in the SNP Gender recognition act, namely that a person cannot be tried in a different gender to that in which they committed the crime with which they are charged. Or words to that effect. This perfectly reasonable clause was not included. Like most on here, I have no issue with whatever people wish to wear or call themselves, but I do have an issue when the rights of one group of people, however suppressed a minority, can triumph over the rights of another group, namely women and girls. To take this ludicrous situation to an even more ludicrous height; could I self identify as a black woman (or man) and claim that I had been sacked from my job as a result of my employer's racism?

Keeper1 Wed 25-Jan-23 13:47:00

I would hate for anybody to be discriminated against or treated unfairly for a person’s gender identity. However as someone has already stated everyone is too fearful of backlash to speak up.

There is an article in the news today of a man who wants to be a black alien and is having his body altered to reflect how he sees himself. Now all the surgery in the world will not make him a black alien although he will present as one.

AGAA4 Wed 25-Jan-23 13:41:53

It's hard to believe that anyone who still has male genitals is allowed in a women's prison.
It seems obvious to me that there is a real danger of rape but it has been overlooked if a man says he identifies as a woman.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 25-Jan-23 13:35:32

Is society unconsciously aiding and abetting these men with their fantasies of being a women?

It is medically import change your chromosomes and your physiology, a trans person still needs to have the appropriate medical check-ups relating to their birth status.

I have absolutely no problem with anybody dressing how they please and calling themselves by whatever name they choose. I do have a problem with men bleating that they want access to women’s spaces and some of them telling us they have period pains and what it’s like to be a women.

Misogynistic at every level…

Oreo Wed 25-Jan-23 13:29:38

Wyllow3

Maudi

Probably thinks he's landed in paradise in a woman only prison lots of opportunities to get close to vulnerable women and being the only man shouldn't be too difficult. Win win situation for him.

We've just been told upthread they will be kept solitary.

He will only be segregated for a very short time, then they have to decide which prison is the best, where he’ll be free to mingle.

Oreo Wed 25-Jan-23 13:27:41

tickingbird

Of course these rapists would never play the system would they?!

Wonderful excuse hey? Well, I’m a woman now so yah boo sucks to you all! Send me to a womens prison pronto and you have to believe me cos I say so.

Smileless2012 Wed 25-Jan-23 13:26:26

Could have been kept in solitary in a men's prison so why place him in a woman's?

Wyllow3 Wed 25-Jan-23 13:23:32

Maudi

Probably thinks he's landed in paradise in a woman only prison lots of opportunities to get close to vulnerable women and being the only man shouldn't be too difficult. Win win situation for him.

We've just been told upthread they will be kept solitary.

Smileless2012 Wed 25-Jan-23 13:22:44

A man identifying as/pretending to be a woman has been found guilty of raping two women.

Galaxy Wed 25-Jan-23 13:00:09

This is a man. I think it's actually treating his victims appallingly if we pretend otherwise.
You cant change sex.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 25-Jan-23 12:53:41

This photo is all over social media?

Maudi Wed 25-Jan-23 12:49:07

You couldn't make it up could you 😊

Iam64 Wed 25-Jan-23 12:25:28

There’s a photograph in the DM. S/he is wearing leggings which emphasise the penis.

Maudi Wed 25-Jan-23 12:14:22

Probably thinks he's landed in paradise in a woman only prison lots of opportunities to get close to vulnerable women and being the only man shouldn't be too difficult. Win win situation for him.

Callistemon21 Wed 25-Jan-23 10:17:54

We need prison facilities for these kind of offenders. I understand they’d be vulnerable in men’s prisons but they should not be in women’s prison

I do understand that some transgendered people may be vulnerable in a men's prison but I doubt that this person would be.

He's a rapist, he still has a penis and sounds as if he's well able to stand up for himself. He needs to be in prison with other male offenders, and to be kept away from any vulnerable male offenders too .

Shelmiss Wed 25-Jan-23 10:12:14

I think cases like these are a bit like the Emperor’s New Clothes. Everyone can see that it is a man, but they are afraid to say so. Ridiculous.

tickingbird Wed 25-Jan-23 10:09:51

Of course these rapists would never play the system would they?!

Oopsadaisy1 Wed 25-Jan-23 09:52:35

Accept it or be fined, not much choice there.

Redhead56 Wed 25-Jan-23 09:46:27

It’s not a woman it’s a man and everyone just accepts this androcentric patriarchal society.

toscalily Wed 25-Jan-23 09:40:38

He was presenting as a man at that time so "he" had a penis. I have never heard the the term ‘dead name’ before, surely it should be "previous name"?

LadyGracie Wed 25-Jan-23 09:37:17

Penis = Man

lemsip Wed 25-Jan-23 09:34:10

copied and paste
Furious campaigners have slammed the 'disgusting' decision to send a transgender rapist who attacked two women while living as a man to an all-female prison.

Isla Bryson was a shaven-headed Adam Graham with a Mike Tyson-style face tattoo when carrying out the violent sex attacks in 2016 and 2019 after meeting the victims online.

Bryson, who claimed to have had gender issues since the age of four, began transitioning from a man to a woman in 2020 after being charged with the rapes. The rapist has been taking hormones but has not had any surgery.