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Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

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Iam64 Wed 25-Jan-23 08:34:52

Apologies for my technical inability to link, maybe some one will.
This individual says they were confused from age 4 about gender identity. S/he has been taking hormones and told the court s/he wants ‘all the surgery the nhs can give’. Defence council argued there are three vulnerable women in the case, his client and the women. The defendant pleaded not guilt, arguing the sex was consensual. Both women gave evidence that they resisted, told him no but his strength overcame resistance. The jury clearly believe the women.
He’s ric to a women’s prison, but will be kept in solitude.
We need prison facilities for these kind of offenders. I understand they’d be vulnerable in men’s prisons but they should not be in women’s prison.

Callistemon21 Fri 10-Feb-23 19:16:48

should and do are not the same.

FarNorth Fri 10-Feb-23 19:18:02

The police, however, are very interested in interviewing a woman for understanding the reality of biological sex and for saying so in public.

Kellie-Jay Keen is to be interviewed at Trowbridge Police station at noon on 23rd February .
She would love it if a few people could be there to wait quietly while that's happening.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=gCmji5PJyrw

FarNorth Fri 10-Feb-23 19:51:04

Very near the end of the Today programme, at 2:55:30, firmer prison governor Rhona Hotchkiss speaks with Nick Robinson.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001hx62?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

FarNorth Fri 10-Feb-23 19:51:40

*former
(although she is quite firm)

Rosie51 Fri 10-Feb-23 21:28:33

Thanks for the link FarNorth In the extremely short time they gave her, she did well. I'm still annoyed the interviewers never seem to give even a second's thought or consideration to the women that would be forced to share accommodation with 'genuine' transwomen who still retain their penises.

FarNorth Fri 10-Feb-23 22:47:13

Possibly it doesn't occur to them that 'genuine' transwomen are likely to still have a penis.

In any case, a man without a penis can still be aggressive in other ways than rape, whether sexually or 'only' verbally.

My view now is No Males in Women's Jails - I don't care if they have a penis or not - they are male and shouldn't be there.
Women prisoners should be able to have slightly more than simply not getting raped.
They should not have any male prisoners locked in with them.

Rosie51 Fri 10-Feb-23 23:36:36

Oh I totally agree, no males in female prisons, I don't care how vulnerable they'd be in the male estate, keep them safe within their own environment. We don't put pretty young male offenders in with the women because they are vulnerable to male sexual abuse. I feel for them and think they should be kept safe but women shouldn't be employed as shields for them or any other vulnerable male. Prison as a punishment should only be about loss of liberty and freedom, it shouldn't be about being exposed to abuse of any kind. It's for prisons to work out how this is achieved without the loss of dignity, privacy and safeguarding of females or males.

Mollygo Sat 11-Feb-23 17:38:19

Rosie51
keep them safe within their own environment

That’s what should have been planned from the start.
Males in male prisons. Males at risk in male prisons because of declaration that they are ‘women’, kept in units for TW in male prisons.

women shouldn't be employed as shields
Definitely not! That’s a really good supporting phrase!