Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

Oh dear. The man charged in connection with the 11 year old girl missing in Galashiels is transgender.
She has been found which is great.

VioletSky

Read back for context

I've read the whole thread, and tried very hard to stay patient and answer any questions, and explain anything that appears to have confused you. I don't know what more I can do. You keep saying that you haven't said things that nobody has accused you of saying.

Read back for context

What have you not said, VS? I have no idea what I might have argued against, or given tacit agreement to. This thread is very strange.

VS
Your post doesn’t make sense.

Smileless2012

Yes it was VS but I hadn't realised you were referring specifically to this thread. If you were, can you provide some evidence?

You've put that very well Mollygo.

No, I'm not boredDoodledog just frustrated at times that as you say a simple message doesn't appear to be understood.

Already did several times

No one argued against any of them so I'm assuming it is accepted now that I haven't said any of those things

Yes it was VS but I hadn't realised you were referring specifically to this thread. If you were, can you provide some evidence?

You've put that very well Mollygo.

No, I'm not boredDoodledog just frustrated at times that as you say a simple message doesn't appear to be understood.

Iam64

Ok Violet, for what it’s worth, my impression of mollygo’s comment is she was being ironic.
I find the use of lol in a situation that isn’t remotely funny difficult to understand. I see it as passive aggression.
I don’t see any purpose in continuing to nit pick and shred comments looking for conflict and offence to perpetuate victim status

So?

Your opinions of me don't define me and I'm not a child to be told how to behave.

Trust me, I'm no one's victim, I find it interesting and I point out what I observe, but if I were bothered I'd go away, I walk away from people able to hurt me and there are none here.

You think some behaviours are fine in discussion, I think they weaken the points made here by the GC, some of which I agree with but, if you are looking for your opinions to be relevant and heard... the way each individual speaks matters.

Unless you just enjoy arguing and point scoring and this is an avenue to achieve that, hope not.

The problem is that the people who rape may or may not be transpeople (most will not be, IMO) but that rapists can easily pass themselves off as such, as long as all it takes to be assumed to be a woman is to say 'I identify as a woman', and therefore genuine transpeople have no way of differentiating themselves from the criminals. Unless, that is, they go the third way, and describe themselves as transpeople, and the male ones stay out of female spaces.

If I am being led a dance here, and duped into saying the same thing over and over to push this thread off the first page, I apologise to those who are bored. It is hard to believe that a very simple message just isn't going in, so that might well be the case.

Mollygo

Image, as in what people think of when they hear a word.
When you hear ‘terrorist’ you don’t get an image of a little old lady knotting bombs at MU.
Those discussing on here may well know about fake trans, or trans who are acting as their authentic selves or trans who do no harm. They may well be, or know trans who would pass as women or as men, but, if you ask in an average group of people you don’t really know, what they know about trans, the conversation is usually about TW and topped with mentions of males in female prisons, cheats in sport, rapists who have said they’re female, Eddie Izzard and males in female changing rooms.
This isn’t because of trans who have been living unobtrusively. Most people don’t even know they exist. It’s because of the publicity caused by the trans who cheat, rape, demand the right to be in female spaces etc, together with the publicity round the TRA who attack females like JKR or females holding peaceful rallies to support female rights.
It isn’t fair on all innocent trans, but for many, the impact of people’s perception of trans has been affected by the cheating and lying and violent actions and the support of those actions instead of the condemnation of those actions.

Then explain to me:

Why would you want to be part of this?

Why do you say it yourself?

Why would you be repeating it over and over and over?

Why aren't you standing up and saying, no, this is wrong, exactly as I have?

Ok Violet, for what it’s worth, my impression of mollygo’s comment is she was being ironic.
I find the use of lol in a situation that isn’t remotely funny difficult to understand. I see it as passive aggression.
I don’t see any purpose in continuing to nit pick and shred comments looking for conflict and offence to perpetuate victim status

Image, as in what people think of when they hear a word.
When you hear ‘terrorist’ you don’t get an image of a little old lady knotting bombs at MU.
Those discussing on here may well know about fake trans, or trans who are acting as their authentic selves or trans who do no harm. They may well be, or know trans who would pass as women or as men, but, if you ask in an average group of people you don’t really know, what they know about trans, the conversation is usually about TW and topped with mentions of males in female prisons, cheats in sport, rapists who have said they’re female, Eddie Izzard and males in female changing rooms.
This isn’t because of trans who have been living unobtrusively. Most people don’t even know they exist. It’s because of the publicity caused by the trans who cheat, rape, demand the right to be in female spaces etc, together with the publicity round the TRA who attack females like JKR or females holding peaceful rallies to support female rights.
It isn’t fair on all innocent trans, but for many, the impact of people’s perception of trans has been affected by the cheating and lying and violent actions and the support of those actions instead of the condemnation of those actions.

Well it was my original thought that you quoted

Did I say it was on this thread VS? No, so why ask?

Smileless2012

I agree with you VS but for me, the lack of principles, boundaries and assigning views or values to others that aren't there, especially when the opposite has been expressed is coming from the TRA's and their supporters.

On this thread?

Can you show me evidence of this please

You're probably right Doodledog but is does seem strange that it's not been suggested before and the C of E has been ordaining women since 1994 and women bishops since 2017; good grief only 29 and 6 years ago so maybe not so strange after all.

Vintagenonna

Cheer up, Grans! Even the Church of England is debating 'dropping gendered language when referring to the Lord'.

Apologies to any Gran who may have already picked this point up.

In my (Catholic) school days we knew God as three persons in one - logically 'They'.

Don't know if this helps, hinders, bores or annoys.

Doesn't mean he's right though.

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit has no physical body, so is without a sex surely?

eazybee

I think there is an attempt to keep this thread going until it reaches 1000 posts.
Sad.

Ah. That makes sense. Yes, that is sad.

Re the religious thing - I read that this morning, but don't think it is because of the trans lobby - my guess is that it is to be inclusive to women. It's not for me to say, but I can't see it catching on. It's interesting, but it doesn't help or hinder this debate, for me anyway.

I'm surprised that Justin Welby thinks he knows better than Jesus in that Christians should not refer to God as father, bearing in mind that Jesus told his followers to refer to God in that way.

Yes, God is three persons in one; Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

God isn't gender specific, Jesus referred to his father in terms of the relationship.

The C of E can debate the issue until it's blue in the face; God is my spiritual/heavenly father.

The world really does seem to be going mad.

Cheer up, Grans! Even the Church of England is debating 'dropping gendered language when referring to the Lord'.

Apologies to any Gran who may have already picked this point up.

In my (Catholic) school days we knew God as three persons in one - logically 'They'.

Don't know if this helps, hinders, bores or annoys.

I agree with you VS but for me, the lack of principles, boundaries and assigning views or values to others that aren't there, especially when the opposite has been expressed is coming from the TRA's and their supporters.

It's not going to make any difference to anything I disagree Fanny. I think the fact that this issue is being discussed here and elsewhere, has already made a difference.

It's resulted in a convicted double rapist not being housed in a woman's prison, and the outpouring of concern with regard to Scotland's GRC Bill must have had some influence on Westminster's decision to block the bill.

I don't think it's happy or sad either Galaxy, it is what it is and it's always good to listen to a well argued point of view even if it differs to your own.

I think there is an attempt to keep this thread going until it reaches 1000 posts.
Sad.

Lack of principles, boundaries and assigning views or values to others that aren't there, especially when the opposite has been expressed makes me sad for humanity and our young people stuck in a world with people like that

I dont think it's sad or happy. We disagree that's fine. Trying to change the mind of someone on the internet is futile, its certainly not why I am here.