Guy Verhofstadt says “Happy Brexit Day”

I think Leave voters are 'aware', but don't connect the government's corruption and chaos with Brexit.

There are Leave voters who claim to be intelligent. How can the fact that they elected this truly disgusting government to 'get Brexit done' be unconnected in their minds with Brexit?

MaizieD

When you look at the government chaos and corruption which has followed on from the Brexit vote and the increasingly fascist, authoritarian stance they are taking, it really makes you wonder how Leave voters can be so complacent.

I think Leave voters are 'aware', but don't connect the government's corruption and chaos with Brexit.

Of course, both are inextricably linked. However, Leave voters believe (I think) that if we have a new, pro-Brexit, government, that Brexit will work. Which, of course, it will - but not for the average man / woman in the street.

I think we are going to see the removal of rights and protections for workers, removal of food safety rules and regulations, and business will be allowed to continue to pollute not only with sewage but other pollutants and chemicals into our waterways and rivers etc. As for the NHS, I think it's fairly obvious where we are headed and as for social care - be it in the community or care-home - well, the groundwork is already laid. If you cannot afford it, you will get the bare minimum.

I have absolutely no hope for the future, at all. Government is working hard on its propaganda and too many believe what is being said is the truth.

... and when the last boatload of immigrants offloads on our shores, people will discover that Austerity is still the name of the game, and nothing changes. The £millions / billions 'saved' in accommodating them will not be ploughed into public services.

When you look at the government chaos and corruption which has followed on from the Brexit vote and the increasingly fascist, authoritarian stance they are taking, it really makes you wonder how Leave voters can be so complacent.

Whitewavemark2

Guy Hands a Tory donor and leading City figure has called Brexit a “total disaster”and “bunch of total lies”

The only way it could possibly work is if we move to an economy like Singapore which is never going to work.

The U.K. would never support the ditching of the NHS, where free education was severely limited and employment regulation torn apart.

It was all a complete load of lies.

The biggest issue about it led by Johnson and the Conservative Party were the lies told about the bus and the NHS. In fact what they did was throw the NHS and the country under the bus.

57% of people would now vote to rejoin the EU.

Guardian report.

The only way it could possibly work is if we move to an economy like Singapore which is never going to work.

Well this government appears to be trying to nudge us ever closer to it - using the boiling-frog technique.

MaizieD

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Guy Hands a Tory donor and leading City figure has called Brexit a “total disaster”and “bunch of total lies”

The only way it could possibly work is if we move to an economy like Singapore which is never going to work.

The U.K. would never support the ditching of the NHS, where free education was severely limited and employment regulation torn apart.

It was all a complete load of lies.

The biggest issue about it led by Johnson and the Conservative Party were the lies told about the bus and the NHS. In fact what they did was throw the NHS and the country under the bus.

57% of people would now vote to rejoin the EU.

Guardian report.

MaizieD

'I think' (I hate typing on a ting keyboardj

Gawd! Done it again. I give up...

'I think' (I hate typing on a ting keyboardj

Any way, Inthink Guy was just trolling us.. 😆

I can't find anything about this anywhere Urmstongran.
Please could you post a link?
Thanks.

Wyllow3

And we can take steps to rejoin aspects of the EU that will benefit us. its not an all or nothing situation.

But as for doing well out of it? Where'e the evidence? We are in an appalling state trade wise.

Well, that's doubtful. There isn't going to be any cherry picking tolerated. If we try to rejoin the single market it'll be with freedom of movement, which won't please our xenophobes.

I'm still waiting for my unicorn and sunny uplands.

Ashcombe

I have recently written to my MP regarding changes to rules for immigration to EU countries. Those of you who travel to and from Europe will be aware of the need to have passports stamped on entry and exit. EES is due to be introduced in May, 2023 (just over three months away) but I find no mention of this new regulation when I visit the UK government site, advising on travel to France. EES entails the fingerprinting and photographing of British travellers with these records being stored for future times when they might visit. Delays at ports and airports are expected when this is implemented. This will be followed by ETIAS being implemented in November of this year.

The EU has put this back by a good few months Ashcombe. I read an article on it last week. They are not ready to roll it out.

Hmm

And we can take steps to rejoin aspects of the EU that will benefit us. its not an all or nothing situation.

But as for doing well out of it? Where'e the evidence? We are in an appalling state trade wise.

grandMattie

We can’t change things, but surely theEU was better as a trading group than trying to be the United States of Europe?
When we joined, it was the perfect system…

Totally agree grandMattie

Mamie

EES has also been delayed Ashcombe.
www.euronews.com/travel/2023/01/18/new-eu-border-controls-delayed-until-end-of-2023-how-will-the-ees-affect-travellers

Thank you, Mamie. My MP appears to “know nothing” but then I normally live in Torquay …… home of the original Manuel.!!

It is not as if ordinary people are sabotaging brexit by disagreeing with it

What are we supposed to do exactly? Life gets harder and harder lately

All I can say is that I am absolutely disheartened by the whole Brexit experiment. I cannot think of a single advantage to our leaving but a whole list of disadvantages.

‘Things can only get better’?
I admire your optimism Urms, but I doubt that it will anytime soon.
The country is in absolute blooming chaos.

And that was New Labour’s anthem. Roll on the GE

(I loved your comment Molly 😁)

In order to “ move on” and “ get behind” Brexit, Leavers have first got to admit that there are downsides to Brexit and not pretend everything is fantastic for the U.K. Only then will we be able to move forward and try to mitigate the problems.

We were told by the leave campaign that we would leave the EU but remain within the single market and have a Norway type agreement - they lied about that too.

Exports to the EU by U.K. business has dropped by a truly astonishing 33% during the last year.

We are the only G7 country whose economy is smaller than before covid.

Bloomberg reporting that Brexit is costing the U.K. £100 billion a year.

The OBR is estimating that both imports and exports will be 15% lower in the long run than if we’d stayed in the EU.

While all these costs have been imposed on British businesses trying to export to the EU, the Government has repeatedly delayed implementing full checks on goods coming in from the EU because it is afraid of the consequences in the form of shortages and delays.

Urmstongran

Good job we’ve saved £190+ billion then since leaving varian. The European debit relief for Covid.

Good job varian mistyped - £100 billion a year

EES has also been delayed Ashcombe.
www.euronews.com/travel/2023/01/18/new-eu-border-controls-delayed-until-end-of-2023-how-will-the-ees-affect-travellers

Anyone travelling regularly to and from Europe will be aware of the need to have one's passport stamped on entry to, and exit from, any of the EU countries, causing slower queues at Immigration into and out of France, for example. Under the rules for EES, from May (or maybe later this year) each of us entering an EU country will have to be fingerprinted and photographed. From November, ETIAS will be in operation.

More information here:-

www.etias.info/what-is-ees-how-does-ees-relate-to-etias/